Grab a Clue, Brew Swiggers

Or have you never had a Corona? ______________________________

Yep, not too bad to me, actually, that is, if a broad taste isn't of supreme importance ;-)

You see, my expectations from the "Masters of the Brewers Art" are not as lofty as Mt. Everest. All I want is a brew that is bold and smooth, and not jacked up with so much artificial carbonation that flatulence could conceivably harm my reputation the following day.

Very interesting, informative, and well written reply... thanks, Steve!

Well, that leaves some pretty broad goals there, one that a lot of beers can fulfil. Your best course of action? Get out there and start giving some different stuff a shot. That's really the only way to find out what's going to work and what's not. And it's usually fun in the process. Does Texas allow single-bottle sales? That might be a good avenue so you're not stuck with too much of a beer that just doesn't work for you. Or find a good beer bar that sells a wide variety. You'll find that there's a lot more out there than the typical overcarbonated, flabby yellow stuff. You're not going to like all of it, but I'm guessing you'll find some you do like. And you'll find some that are worth shelling out a couple extra bucks for.

BTW, in regards to a message elsewhere in the thread, no worries, I'm not remotely offended. As I said, we get a lot of stuff along the lines of your original post all the time. You seem to be the pleasant exception to the rule in that you are really looking for something better and trying to keep an open mind about it. And that's a good thing.

-Steve

You certainly are a wealth of mis-information.

Actually, Falstaff (the beer) "died" this spring:

"RIP Falstaff Beer 1899 -2005

Pabst Brewing announced on 4/15/2005 that it was dropping Falstaff Beer from its portfolio of products. The reason given is that low sales no longer justified keeping the brand in production. Last year's sales were only 1468 bbls. The future of the Falstaff brand is an open question, but Pabst has sold / licensed two other obsolete brands (Augsburger & Narragansett) so we may see it re-appear somewhere down the line.

If you are unhappy about the demise of Falstaff you can write Pabst at snipped-for-privacy@pabst.com "

The current Pabst "Brewing" Company is a creation of the S+P Corporation

- and is the result of merging of Falstaff (which it owned since the

Now, as far as "gagworthy" - Falstaff beer was just another bland, fizzy yellow "lager", not much different than the rest of 'em (indeed, they were the third largest brewery in the US in the 60's and had 9 or 10 different breweries going at one time). Pre-micro era beer drinkers often gravitated to the brewery (if not the beer) since they continued to brew Ballantine XXX Ale & India Pale Ale, Croft Ale, Pickwick Ale and assorted porters and bocks long after all of the big US brewers dropped such styles.

Bold and smooth? WTF? Methinks you emulate the marketers that you so despise.

Ok. You are in Dallas, drive to the following bars. Sure, they may be a drive to you but you see you need to do it. Who cares if you cannot find decent beer at every corner gas station. That will never happen, unless that gas station happens to be at the "Skillman S" directly across from the Tipperary in Lakewood. Anyway, stop bitching and start driving - here are some destinations:

The Gingerman: Mckinney & Boll. One of the greatest beer bars ever. They have a great selection and take very good care of their beer. Go there on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and hang out on the double decker back porch. Very low-key vibe. Avoid on Friday or Saturday nights unless you want to fight hordes of the trendy clueless. Look for Sierra Nevada Celebration to be on tap soon.

The Flying Saucer: Beltline & Montfort. 115 beers on tap! You cannot see all the taps because of the curvature of the earth! Amazing selection and they take pretty darn good care of the beer for that many taps asswell.

The Old Monk: Two blocks off of 75 on Henderson. The focus here is on Belgian beer. They have around 12 interesting taps. Great atmosphere and wonderful moule frite.

Two Rows: Greenville & Lovers, in the Old Town shopping center. A brewpub with kind of a sports-bar vibe. Suffered in the late 90's from lack of direction but the beer is spot-on now with some very interesting seasonals.

There are more places, but try these for now.

_Randal

Well of course it is. All the atlases on our classroom walls featured the USA prominently in the middle. In fact, the only map that is centered just a bit differently can be found in beer texts. Those maps have Tigard, Oregon as the epicenter of the beer universe.

Broolz is doing cartography now?

You certainly are a wealth of mis-information.

Actually, Falstaff (the beer) "died" this spring:

"RIP Falstaff Beer 1899 -2005 _______________________________________________________________

Sorry about the misinfo... perhaps it could be partially justified by the fact that I thought that I was going to die the last time I drank one in about 1968, or was that a Carling Black Label? yoowzer !! Talk about UnGodly! Tasted like (if you can imagine) that they STARTED OUT using horse-piss instead of water, and sent it through their normal brewing process. Bad as a lean-on-the-podium shit-face grin from you-know-who when he tells us all another shit-face lie.

Thank you, sir. You've given me enough info for me to really sink my taste Buds into ;-)

Heck, weren't there only like 74 breweries at the low point? Anyone know for sure?

Depends on how you look at the numbers. Do you count A-B as "one brewery" or as 12? I've seen people say numbers as low as 37. I mean, there were six old breweries in PA, two in NY, and three in WI as recently as 10 years ago...and there were only 37 back in the 1970s? Hard to get hard numbers without painstaking definitions.

I smell Troll, The other other yellow meat

Hey P2 I agree with EVERY WORD you've said. Anyone who has EVER been to ANY country in europe will agree with this statement..."theres NO such thing as a good american beer! I don't care how good a micro brewery is all american beers SUCK when compared to european beers...If you don't believe it join me on one of my frequent trips to europe and I'll buy the beer!!!!

I've lived in Europe, and had countless beers in the best beer-producing countries and cities Europe has to offer.

And, in doing that, I can firmly come to this conclusion:

Your opinion expressed here is utter horseshit.

-Steve

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Well Sydney. I do not only live in Europe - Belgium of all places - I AM a European, Flemish to boot. I am weaned on lambics and raised with trappists. I can inform you that actually quite a lot of N. American brews (the craftbrewers' stuff, of course) not only are very drinkable, but can vie with the best European beers produced anywhere here. That doesn't gum the fact that the concentration of interesting brews in some European areas is staggering, and a voyage over here can be quite instructive. But don't venture such stupid statements anymore. I can assure you that many's the European brewer - and I happen to know a few of them - are very impressed and curious as to what is happening over the pond. If it weren't for the cost...

Cheers, Joris, EBCU

OBVIOUSLY STEVE YOU HAVE NOOOOOO TASTEBUDS OR HAVE NEVER TASTED A BEER FROM THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES YOU SAY YOU'VE LIVED IN....CASE CLOSED !!!

I'll say it one mo time for you coors lite, pbr, bud drinkin dumb asses..."THERES NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD AMERICAN BEER"! Are some beers here drinkable...yeah if you're dying of thirst and theres no water around!

1. WTF is up with the shouting? Calm down, or come off as a stark raving lunatic. Not that you're not already well down that road, mind you.
2. I don't feel like dick wagging and listing all of the European beers I've tasted, breweries I've visited, etc. Let's just say the number in the hundreds, comsumed close to their origins of production and in very good condition.
3. Only those wholly ignorant or with some sort of agenda would argue that there are no American beers to compare to European beers. I know plenty of Europeans who forget more about beer in a day than I've ever learned who have found plenty of American beers they regard as well-done as those they find back home.

I'll leave everyone to make their own conclusions as to which of those two types of people you are.

-Steve

there are more American beers than PBR/Bud/Coors... If you want a good american beer Try...

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale (not my favorite style) Sierra Nevada Porter

Anything by Bells