Stone Smoked Porter...

I was actually more impressed with the 6th anniversary porter when I pulled on out of my cellar a few months back than when I initially tried it a couple years back. I'm not sure if it was because it aged well or if I was dissapointed with the fresh 6th since it didn't live up to the standard set by the 4th and 5th Anniversary IPA IMHO.

In any case I'm skeptically looking forward to the seemingly oxymoronish 8th anniversary upped version of a Mild.

mike

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Grafix8888) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m21.aol.com:

Ah, yes, the rabid and moronic "imperialization" of everything. Imperial Pilsners are silly enough. Just heard Avery is going to do an Imperial Oktoberfest. Now Imperial Milds. I mean, I love big beers, but doesn't subtlety have value all its own?

Well, historically milds were not necessarily low alcohol. For instance, there's a recipe from the turn of the century (the previous one; circa 1900) in the AHA style series book on Milds that weighs it at around 8% abv IIRC.

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Isn't an imperial oktoberfest going to taste an awul lot like a doppelbock. Once again me asks, whats the point? Imperial Mild is as oxymoronish as it gets.

As I commented before on the imperialization trend, esp. right after rogue made their imperial pilsner - my first thought is: before they start with an imperial pilsner, can they make a regular pilsner? and a good one at that? I can see imperializing a style once you've mastered the original style and feel the need for mixing things up, but otherwise it seems like an easy way out. Also, it seems like an insult to the original style. As in, regular oktoberfest or pilsner isn't good enough, I'm going to improve it by doubling the strength.

Now if your vision is to make an 8% beer using vienna and munich malts for that strong melanoidiny malty flavor, fine - but "imperial oktoberfest" is ridiculous. Likewise if you're gonna brew an 9% light colored lager with plenty of hops, then I respect Dogfish Head's nomenclature of "Liquor de Malt" over Rogue's Imperial Pilsner. Esp since the result tastes alot more like a "malt liquor" than a pilsner by any stretch of the imagination.

Or even Sarah Hughes at 6%, but that still doesn't mean that Imperial Mild isn't an oxymoron. If 8% fits in the mild style guidelines, then your 8% low hopped fruity Britishy ale is a mild, not an Imperial Mild. Silliness, I say.

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Agreed. I do know that imperial pilsners were originally classified as pilsners on Ratebeer but now have been switched over to a more logical "European Strong Lager", as they aren't even vaguely close to pilsner.

Calling things "imperial" is just a marketing ploy to get people to try bigger things. It was neato for a while. It's getting old.

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I would, however, respect it more were they to call it "liqueur de malte"... Joris

Yes, the "Imperial" and "Double" craze is a bit over the top.

Still waiting for the Imperial Berliner Weisse, "Sauer Kaiser."

Great idea! I'll mention you in the dedication portion of my _Brew Your Own_ article on the "style."

Their all just jealos of Rouge giggy.