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Re: Will St. Louis lose the King of Beers?


On 5/31/2008 8:42 AM Dick Adams ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

ObPetPeeve:

BELGIUM is the name of a country.

BELGIAN is the adjective used to describe things and people from
BELGIUM.

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Often, yes.  Always, no.  There are plenty of dumpy little dive
pubs in Belgium with a limited range on offer.

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A *BELGIAN* compay, Duvel-Moortgaat, owns both halves of
Ommegang.

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The talk is of a merger between A-B and a *BELGIAN* company.

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A-B's distribution network also currently markets InBev's
Belgian imports in the USA.  It is possible that many other
brands in InBev's range would get sucked in to that network,
to the detriment of the existing importers.  Kinda like what
happened with Corona and Gambrinus Co. in Texas.

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That would engender far more "Sturm und Drang" than the monks
would ever want to endure.  They would simply rest assured in smug
contemplation that their beers are the best.  Some are, some aren't
what they were at one time, and at least one, while very good, is
massively overhyped.
--
dgs

Re: Will St. Louis lose the King of Beers?


On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:32:22 -0700, yd+yg+as

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Flanders or Wallonia?
--
"Why do we never get an answer
 When we're knocking at the door
 With a thousand million questions
 About hate and death and war?"
     David J. Hayward

Re: Will St. Louis lose the King of Beers?


On 5/31/2008 2:13 PM David V. Loewe, Jr ignored two million years of
human evolution to write:

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Yes.

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   The bartenders and waiters at the restaurant I ate at
last night think Belgium is spelled C-A-N-A-D-A.  They
confidently told me Blanche de Chambly was not from Canada
as I told my lovely wife, but was from Belgium.
--

Joel Plutchak                "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com      - Sheldon Miller

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free.tuneup@gmail.com wrote:

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That may be, but InBev is not responsible for the beers that most people
think of as representing the best qualities of Belgian beer.

As for saving the brewery, I'm not really sure A-B is in need of saving.
While market share for standard North American lagers has been flat for
many years, A-B has managed to take market share from Miller and Coors.
Although, if I recall correctly (and I may very well not be), A-B's
growth has slowed in recent years as well.

The reason InBev is looking at A-B is not because A-B is struggling.
It's because A-B wants a strong foothold in the North American market,
and A-B's the one takeover opportunity. And with the weakness of the
dollar against the euro (1 euro is worth ~$1.55 today, compared to 1
euro being worth 85 cents seven years ago), InBev has very favorable
economic conditions for such a deal.

Besides, an InBev acquisition would have a strong chance of increasing
production at A-B breweries, as the company will likely seek to produce
some of its brands in North America for North American consumption,
rather than importing bottles/kegs/cans from Europe.

-Steve

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On 5/31/2008 10:36 AM Steve Jackson ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

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InBev is largely responsible for dumbing down the beer range from
breweries they have taken over, ruining the Belle-Vue lambic range,
making Hoegaarden Wit blander (and deleting some of Hoegaarden's
former specialties from the range), and so on.  Some of their bottom-
line dominated decision making, like attempting to close the De Kluis
brewery at Hoegaarden and move production to the lager factory at
Jupille, proved to be unworkable, and they wound up re-opening the
line at Hoegaarden.  Once in a very great while, even brewing behemoths
can be humbled by reality.

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In product volume, yes, which is true across the board for the biggest
of the corporate macrobreweries.  A-B has done all right in holding the
line on margins, but A-B still also dabbles in more potentially
profitable business as well:  repositioning and expanding the Michelob
line to appeal to a market that's moved away from Bud/Bud Light/Busch,
but still likes a bargain.  A-B also owns substantial chunks of Widmer
and Redhook, and has deals with Kona Brewing and Goose Island as well,
bringing all those brands into its distribution portfolio.  And of
course, A-B is already the importer of record for InBev's Belgian beers;
if A-B imported and distributed all InBev brands, it would control a
sizeable share of the import market, what with Beck's, Spaten,
Staropramen, Diebels, Bass, Labatt's, and so on.  Wouldn't be at all
surprised to see a massive consolidation of these brands' distribution
networks should an AnBev (or is it InBusch?) merger take place, complete
with lots of yelling and shouting and lawsuits galore.

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The reason *who* wants a strong foothold?  (Yeah, I know what you
meant.  PSYCH!)
--
dgs

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Sounds like what A-B does when they acquire or take stock in breweries.  
The sure dumbed down Red Hook.  But I can't see any of the A-B brands being
dumbed down any more than they already are.



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yd+yg+as wrote:

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Nor would I. I'm sure that's one of the reasons InBev is eyeing the
transaction. But I still think the things that are really lighting up
their eyes are the entry into North America, and the ability to brew
some of their core brands in the States, rather than in Europe (similar
to how Guinness Extra Stout is brewed in Canada).

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Yeah, got one too many A-Bs in there. InBev wants in NA. A-B is already
quite established in NA.

-S

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Hmmm. With the exception of the not very often produced Sélection Lambic, as
well as with the vatted lambics, as good as never leaving the Henegouwenkaai
plant, there wasn't a lot to ruin in that shed. And Belle-Vue themselves had
a longstanding record themselves of ruining excellent producers of
spontaneously fermented beers, ending with the manslaughter on De Neve in
St. Gertrudis - Pede.



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   When was Belle-Vue good?  The first time I tried it (in a
bar in Tempe AZ of all places, circa 1991) I was distinctly
unimpressed.
--

Joel Plutchak                "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com      - Sheldon Miller

Re: Will St. Louis lose the King of Beers?


On 6/1/2008 7:44 AM Joel ignored two million years of human evolution to
write:

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See Joris's post for more, but Belle-Vue was in a long and
unhappy process of dumbing down for years, so no surprise that
you had yet another dull, lifeless Belle-Vue product in 1991.

The last Belle-Vue Selection Lambic was produced in something
like 1999, AFAIK, and its appearance before then was also
rather infrequent.  It was, at the least, good.  There are
still hidden stashes of the '99 bottles in dwindling quantity.

It's not impossible for a bigger corporate brewing company to
turn a specialty lambic-brewer loose to make something good.
SCAM (Scottish Courage - Alken-Maes) did it with its Mort
Subite brewery, in Kobbegem, Belgium, releasing the Oude
Gueuze and Oude Kriek in recent years.  I haven't seen them
as imports in the USA, unfortunately.
--
dgs

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   If you see any, snatch it up. I'll do the same.  Next time
we meet we'll imbibe. :-)
--

Joel Plutchak                "Beer doesn't stain, if it's a light pilsner."
$LASTNAME at VERYWARMmail.com      - Sheldon Miller

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Joel wrote:

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Geez, what has it been now, seven years?  The time, how it does
fly...

I've already put aside a decent collection of sour beers, including
several lambics, but if I were to stumble on a '99 Selection Lambic in
upcoming travels, sure, yeah, maybe.  My current Beery Grails are
bottles of Soleil de Minuit and Goldackerl, both from Cantillon, and
I wouldn't turn down a bottle of Druivenlambic from 3 Fonteinen.  3F's
Hommage, Doesjel, and Schaerbekse Kriek are all good, as is Cantillon's
Cuvee des Champions.  With all that, the '99 Selection Lambic sort of
fades into the background.

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