Cider measures

There are also far more ciders from independent producers on supermarket shelves than there were a few years ago. Obviously these are not "real" but it does indicate a growing appreciation of cider.

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PeterE
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I have to ask how many acres of land are laid down to apple orchards in Ireland and how many gallons of apple syrup are imported for this magnitured cider production line?

It's like every other drink that gets sold as ultra cold, it's tasteless :-(

Dave

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Dave

Mustn't offend peoples taste buds.

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KeithS

Precisely *because* of its lack of taste :-)

Don't think of it as cider, think of it as a long cool refreshing drink for people who don't want something with masses of flavour, it's certainly got more taste than Bud and it's not 'merc'n to boot.

If the massive marketing campaign gets more people to possibly try proper cider then that's a bonus, just remember that if you gave most people a pint of dry scrumpy they'd spit it out immediately...

Ian (who prefers a good bitter to cider anyway)

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Ian & Hilda Dedic

Any of the Weston's range, Duche De Longueville, Aspall's, Thatchers and usually any of the organic offerings are I believe all real offerings from supermarkets.

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Ade

I don't dispute all of these are good quality ciders, as are those from Sheppy's, Henney's and Burrow Hill that I have tried recently.

But how does a bottled cider qualify as "real"?

Although they may be made entirely from genuine cider apples, AFAIK none of these undergo a secondary fermentation in the bottle.

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PeterE

Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. Sales of real cider and perry have rocketed in the last year. My source is the chair of Apple, the real cider and perry wing of CAMRA and also the organiser of the Great British Beer Festival. In addition I have evidence based on beer and cider festivals in Worcestershire and Herefordshire.

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Brett...

To corroborate, my parents worked one day on the cider bar at GBBF this year and said it was insanely busy; the session working on the family brewers bar was by comparison bordeline boring...

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Simon Cooper

In article , PeterE writes

This is hardly the correct newsgroup to discuss cider, but you are making the mistake of so many CAMRA members (even within APPLE and the National Executive) in thinking that cider is the same as beer and should be treated as such.

Cider (and, by definition, perry) has much more in common with wine than beer, and it really only because cider is a traditional pub drink in certain areas, such as the West Country and the Eastern Counties, that CAMRA has embraced it.

Because ale has to undergo a secondary fermentation in the bottle to qualify as 'real' you are assuming that cider must be the same. But cider, like wine, can be drunk flat, without carbonation of any sort, whereas beer needs carbonation.

As a cider maker I use only apple juice and the minimum of sulphite in my products, and consequently these are about as 'real' as you can get. According to you, if I put some of this 'real' cider in a polybarrel, it remains 'real', but if I put it in a bottle with a sealed top without any extra priming sugar, filtering or pasteurisation, it somehow ceases to be 'real'. A little bit of extra sugar and, bingo!, it suddenly becomes kosher in your eyes.

I think that you need to get real.

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Roy Bailey

I'm not making that mistake - somebody else has described some ciders as "real" and I'm asking them how they define it.

Even the high quality bottled ciders from independent producers tend to be carbonated, though.

Well, I think I'm just making a point that presumably you would agree with, that quality in bottled ciders runs on a sliding scale and can't be split into "good" and "bad" by means of a simplistic dividing line.

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PeterE

I expect most of you have seen this article already

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Ade

In message , Brett... writes

The number of unformed youngsters drinking Magners is so large that if even a few percent of them are converted to the Real Thing it'll make a considerable difference to sales.

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MadCow

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