Leeds and Jury's Inn

Sorry to be pedantic Dave, but Saddleworth still IS in the West Riding of Yorkshire.

To quote the governement on the 1974 creation of administrative departments 'The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change, despite the different names adopted by the new administrative counties.'

Likewise , from the Ridings society website :'Always remember that the areas administrated by local councils do not in any way replace Yorkshire and its Ridings - they are purely local government administrative areas and can be altered or abolished at any time.'

or do I mean Brian? Whatever the case, Saddleworth is still in the West Riding.

Got it right second time!

So you can't blame a dumb yank for not knowing whether the Church Inn is in Lancs or Yorks, right?? The folks at Dovestone Resevoir didn't seem to know either.

I know what you mean. I am a great believer that Liverpool is still in Lancashire ;-)

And so is Manchester ;-)

Dave

I thought Liverpool and Manchester would only feel happy in separate counties!

I did hear that the car licence plate authority made Manchester as the centre issuer of plates. It was said that Liverpool drivers were not happy driving round with the letters MU at the beginning of their plates.

If this is true, I would imagine that they wanted to be in separate countries :-)

As to how true this is, I have no idea.

Dave

What actually happened was that when the new 51 registrations came in, many of the remaining regional DVLA offices were closed, and the letter pairs were assigned to the ones left, in "regional zones". So Dx is "Deeside to Shrewsbury", including the Chester (DA to DK, but some not used) and Shrewsbury (DL to DY but not DR) offices, and Px is "Preston", including the Preston (PA to PT, but some not used) and Carlisle (PU to PY, but some not used) offices. (Interestingly the Carlisle office issues registrations in Dumfries and Galloway as well, for historical reasons.) M (MA to MY but not ME, MR or MS) was named "Manchester and Merseyside", but this was only as a sop to Merseysiders, as there was no Liverpool office (it was shut around 1996 part way through the P registrations); it was assigned only to the Manchester office. In fact the great majority of Liverpool registrations (and all of those in the Wirral) are now issued by Chester. Most of the remainder are issued by Preston. However there are a few dealerships in Merseyside handled by the Manchester office, including Peoples of Bootle, and some in St Helens. I don't know of any in Liverpool itself, and now I think I see why!

Reverting very slightly to topic ;-), _Leeds_ were originally allocated YA to YK, and Sheffield YL to YU, but as this gave Leeds (one of the largest offices in the country) only 10 letter pairs (as opposed to 23 for Oxford, for example), YL was moved from Sheffield to Leeds. To get their own back, Sheffield decided to invest in decent real ale pubs and breweries at the expense of Leeds. :D

Information provided by the fount of useless knowledge. :-)

Well maybe it's still in Yorkshire or maybe not, depending on your viewpoint. But it's not, and never has been, in Lancashire.

(Dons flack jacket. I once said that Todmorden had always been in Yorkshire.)

At my real ale pub, it is understood that not a bad pint comes out of Yorkshire

We are all resident in that fount :-)

But is it true that Liverpool got the plate ident of MU?

Dave

MU may be issued to any garage handled by the Manchester office. So if there are garages in Liverpool handled by Manchester they will from time to time get MU. However I'm not aware of any. As to whether the DVLA is aware of, or sensitive to, the issue I can't say! There is an MU car on my street (10 miles south of Manchester). It's not a personalised registration either.

Fortunately LU is issued in London. It would be boycotted if it was available in Leeds. :-(

Nevertheless, I knew someone ca. 1980 who had a Todmorden, Lancs postal address.

Yes, Tod was famous for the Town Hall being in two counties simultaneously!

Todmorden has been wholly in Yorkshire since 1884 when it was made into an urban district. Subsequently made a borough in 1896 incorporated into Calderdale 1974.

Prior to that the boundary came down from Blackstone Edge via Gaddings and down to the town hall , passing underneath before following the Calder up to Portsmouth where it rejoined the current boundary. towards Stirpenden Bar.

The Post Office have never known what county places are in, nor do they really care. The postal address is to guide the distribution of mail and parcels to the correct sorting office and delivery depot.

I live in Warwickshire, but mail comes via the Coventry sorting office and needs to be labelled with the fictitious "West Midlands" to be rapidly sorted for routing via Coventry rather than Leamington/Warwick.

It may even have been you that pointed that out to me last time. :-)

Other county boundaries have moved over the years as well. The part of Whaley Bridge west of the Goyt, now in Derbyshire, was originally in Cheshire.

They do occasionally succomb to local pressure. People in the High Peak were so fed up at being in "Stockport, Cheshire" that they rebelled. As a result they got a new set of postcodes, and are now "High Peak, Derbyshire".

So, I wonder how the OP (loobyloo) go on in Leeds?