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Article from today's Times :-

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4381068.ece
Thoughts anyone ?

I'm in my 60's. Earlier in my life I lived in pubs. Chatting to people -
nice real ale etc, etc. Gradually changed over the years - TV's, loud
music, children etc, etc. I only use pubs on holidays these days :-(

Umm ... and my local village pub (I've not visited it for 10 years - it was
*awful* - wide screen TV sport - YUK) has closed - looking for someone to
take it over - I doubt anyone will be interested :-(

Nearest *proper* pub is 10 miles away - I don't bother anymore :-(

Sad sad sad but it's saved me a fortune. Brew my own these days ...
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Regards,

Hugh Jampton

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I think there's two parallell markets (could even be three)

The real money seems to be huge town centre pubs selling alco-pops and
plastic lager/cider to large numbers of people at weekends . Nowadays they
go out already having drunk a cheap bottle of wine or two and get
absoluteley pi**ed.  This has the accompanying social problems that the
Daily Mail readers can get up tight about.  The government use these as an
excuse to put up duty to prevent "binge" drinking.

In the middle are the Free Houses who specialise in different real ales from
independent brewers and (usually) take care that the beer they sell is up to
scratch.  These are the ones of most interest to this NG.  Think they are
probably doing quite well financially.

And at the bottom of the pile are the PubCo owned pubs who are being
overcharged outrageously for both their lease and the bulk of the products
they sell.  These are the ones that are closing at the rate of 4-5 a week.
Beerwise they are forced to sell national brands  (blands?) only and because
they cannot make ends meet they try to attract additional customers by
installing sky tv, etc.  If they aren't closed they are charcterised be
frequent changes of ownership as landlords go bust and the pubcos find
another idiot with siome redundancy money or an inheritance.



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Well put, Paul!


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Mike Roebuck wrote:

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Here, here!

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That is why I got out of the trade 11 years ago when Bass told me they
were not selling their estate but not being stupid I saw punch coming! I
found an idiot to sell my lease to, thank you, thank you! The only way I
would consider going back in would be if I found a free house I could
afford, and I would have to do a lot of soul searching to justify that
to myself. I am now a Taxi driver and there are five other people on the
firm that I would classify as ex proper publicans. I would add that I
was in the trade at 23 and had my pub for 15 years the last 10 of which
we were in the good beer guide.  All of those who taught me so much
about the trade are out of it now also.

Stuart Hudson

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