bottle sterlization

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I've heard of many ways to clean and sterilize bottles but i thought i'd
take a shot here for peoples oppinions.  I've heard of storing bottles
(after they have been cleaned) in chlorine and water (1 tbsp per gallon)
and then letting them dry before bottling on a rack (possibly rinsing,
i've heard both ways on that).  I'm mainly interested in sterlizing
since my bottles are already cleaned and dried and should just need a
quick sterilization.  So what would you guys recomend?  Possibly rinsing
each with iodophore and placing on the drying rack?  Maybe
metabisulfate?  What would be quick and "painless"?

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Asthmatic? DO NOT USE METABISULPHATE.

Iodophore is supposedly a no rinse product but I use Brew Shield which is 3%
Hydrogen peroxide and silver ions and have never had an problems.

ps my LBS recommends Iodophore as a bottle steriliser but having not had any
problems with what I use I haven't changed



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Nice, hydrogen peroxide and silver ions sounds nice and safe as well.
How do you go about applying it though?  I do have one of those
spritsing tubs (don't what they are called) that recirculates the
solution (of course you would want to exchange the solution after a
certain amount of bottles?).    In the case of iodophore i assumje you
don't want it to recirculate, you'd just use a spritz bottle or
something of the sort and hang it to dry?  My local brew shop recomended
using the metabisulfate and rinsing, but i'd prefer not to rinse with
tap water, seems to kinda go against the whole sterilizing thing.

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i SANITIZE my bottles by:

1) rinsing them with a "bottle sanitizer" that shoots a stream of sterilant
(in my case, the old "bleach diluted at 1 tbsp/gal") into each bottle.
2) rinsing them a second time with the bottle sanitizer using plain old tap
water that has been boiled for 30 minutes.  boiling kills potential bacteria
contaminants in the water and boils off the additives so kindly placed there
by my municipal water supplier.
3) placing them on a bottle rack (upside down) to air dry

a perfect solution?  probably something else that i could do, but haven't
had any problems with this method, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

bob p.


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I soak my bottles in bleach and water and then store them upside down.
When I'm ready to bottle I do a 2nd soak in iodine and then place them
on the rack of the dishwasher to dry. Then I bottle.

Dave

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what dilution of iodine?  And i assume by soaking you mean in a tub or
basin.

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I have used my dishwasher with no detergent and drying heat on to
sanitize my bottles. No problems encountered so far.

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JDK wrote:
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that didn't even cross my mind but it's a very sound way to kill
bacteria (either heat, cold, or chemicals or a combination).  Anyone
remember what the temperature for sanitation is (somewhere above 60C/140F?)?

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I believe it is 145F for 15mins (maybe it was 30 mins)....

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I tried this method a couple of times. I had some brew that had terrible
head/head retention. The local homebrew shop advised that using the
dishwasher may not be the best solution. Most diswashing liquid have an anti
sudsing agent in them. Even if no liquid is added to the wash when you
actually do the bottles, the residual chemicals can have an adverse affect
on your brew. All I know is that after I quit using the Dishwasher I get
good head!!!

mark

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I heard of people using things like Starsan in the dishwasher.  I
opted for the larger bottles with swing tops until I can convert to
keg.  I'm tired of bottles, period.



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Just for the record, I don't know anybody who actually "sterilizes"
their bottles.  That's a bit cost prohbitive.  Everybody I know does
"sanitize" the bottles, but that's not the same thing.


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excellent point, i mixed the terminology up.  A very common mistake
though, I meant sanitize as should be obvious.  After a quick google i
found autoclaves are a bit price prohibitive :) (and a little to small
to do all the bottles at one time).  Not to mention how impractical it
would be, your brew area alone would make your "sterile" bottles
short-lived sterile, plus at the point of bottling the beer has alcohol
so there would be less worry about infection/bacteria anyhow.

Anyone tried a "steam wand" or one of those wallpaper removers (with a
pointy end) for cleaning of bottles?  Not as easy as the dishwasher, but
if you have one why not?

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Well, they do make autoclaves big enough to walk into.  That would
allow you to do pallets of bottles.


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NobodyMan wrote:
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considering the bar-fridge sized ones seem to be around $16,000 american
(what is that in canadian dollars? yikes!) and the one i could afford
could effectively do one bottle at a time, i think the walk in is a
little beyond me.

So is that how they sterilize pets these days, a walk in autoclave?
Just kidding :D

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their bottles.  That's a bit cost prohbitive. <

If they fit in an oven and you heat them to 150 C for 30 mins that will do
it and not too expensive either.
But only small bottles will fit, a 5 gallon bottle would be a problem in my
oven.

--
groeten van Bart



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Bart van Herk wrote:
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I think you guys are all working too hard at something that's
easy...just soak the bottles in Iodophor for a few minutes and you're
good...no rinsing, no hassle.  BTW, various tests (and reports from
those who have done it) show trhat dishwashers are not as effective at
sanitizing bottles as you'd think.

    ------------>Denny
--
Life begins at 60 - 1.060, that is.

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Re: bottle sterlization
On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:31:23 +0200, "Bart van Herk"

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That won't come anywhere close to sterilizing anything.  Spores can
easily live throught that low heat.  Hell, sometimes spores live
through steam autoclaves which produce significantly hotter temps that
what you are describing.


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