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When brewing my first batch of beer I used a plastic bucket to ferment.
After I put the lid on the bucket I pushed the airlock into the hole in the
lid. When I did this the rubber grommet/gasket got pushed through the hole
and fell into my beer. I washed my hand and arm well, but had to go in up to
my elbow to find it. After 10 days this stuff smelled and tasted more like
something you would clean a carburetor in than beer. Is the sticking in of
my arm likely the problem or something else?



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I'd say that's one possibility. There are many others. You don't say whether you
sanitised anything. More than washing is required. Everything needs to be
sterile.

On the subject of airlocks I suggest throwing it away. They are more trouble
than they are worth. Just cover the fermenter with some plastic wrap. Works
perfectly. I've been doing it for years without a single failure.

Have a look at these;

http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer3.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer4.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer5.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer6.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer8.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer14.jpg http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer15.jpg
Shill #312
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Homer no function beer well without.
 Homer J. Simpson

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At the time I thought I was sanitizing everything. I used B-Brite to wash
everything. I have done some more reading since then and found that B-Brite
takes 30 minutes to actually sanitize anything. So, basically, none of my
stuff was actually sanitized. After reading some of the threads here it
sounds to me Iodophor is the way to go. I will try this next time.
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I haven't read through all the threads but I use
iodophor. I bought a gallon of it from a homebrew
supplier, Listermann Supply, in Cincinnati, for a
little over $30 a few years ago. That's enough for
years of use. Buy another small item or two and you
have free shipping East of the Mississippi (orders over
$35).

You use a small amount (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons, a
little more for your 6 or 7 gallon plastic fermenters),
for 2 minutes (some references say 1 minute is enough).
You can use chlorine bleach (don't know the amount it's
been so long) for 30 minutes. It's cheap but takes a
while compared to iodophor. Rinse with hot water if you
use bleach, and make sure it's unscented.

With iodophor you can re-use it as long as it has that
tint to it. You can, for example, sanitize your
fermenter, siphon into another fermenter and sanitize
that one, etc. I place my airlock and tubing in a
plastic bucket with the iodophor and get it all done at
the same time.

It can stain things, so be careful. If it stains your
plastic fermenters, it's not really a problem but you
can bleach out the stain if you want to.

Don



On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:21:28 -0600, "Quinn Knight"

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I don't think you need to fill containers to sanitize. I just pour
in a cup or three, and shake the container several times over
several minutes to repeatedly get every spot in the container.
A four ounce bottle of iodophor lasted me a couple years.

Bob

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Phil Miller wrote:
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That's cool! Where does the CO2 escape if there is no airlock?


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I used to put a pin hole in the centre of the plastic, but I don't bother
anymore. It just escapes gently from under the edge of the sheet when the
pressure is positive inside. As the pressure dies down the rubber ring stops
baddies getting in. To know when it's finished you just look inside. when the
beer starts to clear, it's time to put it into a keg.

Cheers,

Shill #312
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24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmmmm.......

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Phil Miller wrote:
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Very interesting! I like the idea! I think it will save some work! I've
got a plastic fermenter (like a bucket) with a lid, grommet and
airlock. Seems like too many pieces for me to touch and get
contaminated! Do you just use something like Saran Wrap? How about the
band, is it tight or just semi tight? I'm guessing that way the plastic
wrap would drap over the sides, the folds would allow gas to escape,
huh?


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Exactly. I no longer have to sterilize a lid and an airlock each time I brew.
K.I.S.S.

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If Saran Wrap is like Glad Wrap, then yeah.
http://www.glad.com/plasticwrap/clingwrap.php
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The band is the rubber O ring that used to seal the screw on lid. You can just
see one inside this lid http://www.gtp.com.au/westbrew/largeimages/480009.jpg
This is how that lid fits http://www.gtp.com.au/westbrew/largeimages/480007.jpg
So the band (O ring) is just a little bit smaller than the circumference of the
top of the fermenter (it is designed to sit on top if the lip - I'm putting it
around the outside of the lip). It is snug. Semi tight.

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Folds? I don't understand. There are no folds. But the O ring isn't too tight
and whatever pressure builds up inside just sneaks past.

In this picture;
http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer7.jpg you can see how much the wrap deflects up under max pressure. Not much really.

And this one;
http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer11.jpg shows what happens when the beer is  drained into the keg and I haven't made a
hole with my finger (which I normally do). You can see that the seal is quite
good (otherwise the wrap wouldn't get sucked down so far).

Try it out. I'll never go back to the other way. Airlock? Schmarlock!

Shill #312
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Homer no function beer well without.
 Homer J. Simpson

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Phil Miller wrote:

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I will! My bucket is like this:

http://www.crosby-baker.com/TrueBrew.htm#The%20True%20Brew%20Maestro%20Equipment%20Kit
But it also has a rubber gasket in the lid, not as large as yours, but
I think it will work! I like the idea because my lid is not transparent
and I can't see what's going on. Now, what I have is a primary that
does not have a spigot. Then a bottling bucket that is the exact same,
only with a hole and a spigot. I'm thinking of making that my primary
so that I don't have to siphon. Good, bad??


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Sounds like a good idea. Draining out of a spigot would have to be easier than
siphoning. How will you bottle? Straight out of the primary? I don't bottle.
Mine goes straight into a keg. Only one thing to wash instead of 30. No priming.

Shill #312
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24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmmmm.......

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I eventually put spigot holes in all my 6 - 7 gallon buckets.  It does
make things a bit easier.  However, there are issues with it too:
    * plastic spigots can leak or crack or get knocked (and break).
        It's a pain to have 5 gallons of beer fermenting and
        have a fairly constant drip from around the spigot...
        One of mine leaks pretty badly.  For bottling, it's not
        an issue, but sitting for weeks fermenting it bothers me
        more.
    * I feel like I need to take steps to clean/sanitize them after
        they've been siting during the ferment.  I was once
        sampling a wine from a primary bucket fermenter's spigot
        and thought the wine had turned to vinegar.  Turns out
        the wine was OK, but residual wine in the spigot had
        turned to vinegar and tainted my samples.  (I don't do
        that anymore).  Some folks "fix" this by having a bit of
        tubing sealed at one end that they sanitize and stick
        over the spigot during fermenting.  One of these days
        ...
    * I bought some from different sources and they are slightly
        different sizes (so I have one bucket that will only
        accept one certain spigot - the shank on the others is
        slightly too big).  I also am not sure they'd seal well
        if their parts were interchanged.

So, go ahead if you want to ... I feel it is worth it.  However, you
should probably buy a spare or two and mark them all separately.

Derric


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Phil Miller wrote:
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>http://www.crosby-baker.com/TrueBrew.htm#The%20True%20Brew%20Maestro%20Equipment%20Kit
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I figure I'll go from the secondary back into the bottling bucket. Do
you use corny kegs? That is my next step is to get set up that way!
Trouble is, I still want some bottles of each, and I brew five gallons
at a time, so that's a full corny! Any advice is welcome!!


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Ok. I don't bother with secondary fermentation. Straight out of the primary into
the keg. Not looking at it, drinking it.

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Yep. Got sick of washing bottles. Here's the fridge;

http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer16.jpg
Going to get a through door tap one of these days. Just have the gun type handle
at the moment. The bathroom scale is so I know how much beer is left inside the
keg. The fridge will take 3 kegs at a squeeze.

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My fermenter will take 30 litres (8 gallons) and the kits I use are for making
22.5 litre (6 gallon) batches. The first couple of kits I did for the kegs I did
the full 22.5 litres and put the excess (the keg takes 19 litres (5 gallons))
3.5 litres into 1/2 a dozen screw top plastic bottles. Now I only fill the
fermenter up to the 19 litre mark, and it all goes into the keg. Is there some
way you could adjust your brews up to 6 gallons (or whatever)? Are you using
kits, or are you more adventurous than that?

Shill #312
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To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
 Homer J. Simpson

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Phil Miller wrote:
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Phil, I'm not using kits per se, but I am using extract recipes for the
time being. I suppose I could adjust! I mean, there's never too much
beer! So, where did you learn about the hardware you need to corny keg?
I'm going to talk to the guys at my local homebrew place. I seen some
not too expensive cornies on ebay. Are the pepsi type or the coke type
more common? Do you add priming sugar to keg or use the CO2?


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A mate of mine has been using kegs for a few years, so I got a lot of info off
him. Plus the Internet and the blokes at the home brew shop.

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Good start. Support the local guy.

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Not sure about where you are. I've dropped a few hints that I'm not in your
hemisphere. Things are probably a bit different here. Downunder. Got it? My
email address ends in .au :-)

http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/num/domains.htm
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Nope. No sugar. CO2. You can see the CO2 bottle in right of the picture;

http://www.geocities.com/spinning_wings/beer16.jpg
on the floor, outside the fridge.

Shill #312
--
Homer no function beer well without.
 Homer J. Simpson

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Phil Miller wrote:
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The hints were taken. But there still are two types of cornies, a pin
lock (Coke) and a ball lock (Pepsi). From what I'm seeing, the ball
lock are more popular.
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your
My

I believe that is the case. But don't turn down pin locks if someone
wants to give them to you.

Bob



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Phil Miller wrote:
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By the way, I take a little exception about your being in Australia
remarks. Seems as though you were trying to imply that I'm not bright
enough to understand the .au, etc. That is far from the case.


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http://www.crosby-baker.com/TrueBrew.htm#The%20True%20Brew%20Maestro%20Equipment%20Kit >
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You may have trouble finding a roll of Glad or Saran wrap wide enough for
your primary......note that Phil's appears to be significantly smaller in
diameter than a standard 5 gallon pickle bucket (which is basically what you
have).  Before you pull your lid's O ring I'd make sure you can get a roll
wide enough to overlap with enough plastic left over for the ring to catch.

A.A.



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