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What is the best solution here?

Currently I do my best to use as little water as possible however due
to the waiting periods, this is difficult.

5 gallons of water to sanitze my fermenting bin
5 gallons to sanitize my keg/bottles
5 gallons to make the beer

15 gallons of water just to make 1 bacth of beer is in my opinion a
little excessive....

Oh, on top of that there is the water used to merely clean the
equipment afterwards and to rinse the sanitizer from said equipment!

What is the situation with reusing the sanitizing solution? Can I
sanitize my primary and then use the same water in my bottles. My one
concern here is that the solution could then be sat in the container
for up to a week or longer! Is this okay?

I tried this in my last batch and ended up with a cloudy gunk in the
bottom of the bottle. The solution I used was made using a powder (not
sure of the name of what it is just now) so not sure if this just
precipitated out. As a result I re sanitized all my bottles.

If I could reduce my water usage to just 10 gallons, then this would be
ideal.

Thanks,


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PieOPah wrote:

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Do you really need to, once you sanitize it just keep it covered and dust
free.  It doesn't need to be green from the wash, just clean.  It really
isn't about sterilizing everything before the operation, but more
minimalizing the risk exposed.  
-victor

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If that is all it takes then I am happy. Would certainly save me a lot
of time on 'brew day' if everything can be prep'd earlier.

Again a concern at this point would be the 'damp'. If I was to sanitize
a bottle and then cap it to stop anything getting in, what about the
excess water in the bottle. could that lead to mildew or something?

If I leave it to dry, then that risks exposure to contamination again!

I don't have a dishwasher that I can use like some people so my options
are quite limited.


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Any water in the bottle should be *nearly* sterile.  (I.e. there should
be no mildew in there).

I've had good results by just standing all my bottles together of
similar heights and covering with a (new) piece of "Saran Wrap."  I've
left some for a couple weeks with no problem at all.

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Clean a dish drying rack off real well (using some sanitizer solution)
and then let the bottles drip dry upside-down there.  They are *just
about* dry by the time you get around to doing something with them.

Derric






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Why risk it? If you're going to all of the trouble of brewing it yourself,
you should at least make sure your bottles are as contamination-free as
possible. To me, that means sanitizing on bottling day.

Skip your shower on brew day -- that'll save more water than you're using to
sanitize anyway.

John.





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John C. Schinker wrote:

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I've never dried my bottles before bottling.  If you keep them dust-free,
they should theoretically stay sterile until the apocalypse; of course, one
ant, and boom, there you go.

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PieOPah Wrote:
>
> 5 gallons of water to sanitze my fermenting bin
> 5
gallons to sanitize my keg/bottles
> 5 gallons to make the beer
> 15 gallons of
water just to make 1 bacth of beer is in my opinion a
> little excessive....
>
If I could reduce my water usage to just 10 gallons

Why not just use the same
sanitized water from your fermenting bin for
your keg/bottles. There's the ten
gallons. I use 1 bucket of sanitizer
for everything before and during my brew
session.

Wild


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I would like to use the sanitized water from my fermenting bin in my
keg/bottles and was trying to get the general opinion whether or not
this was deemed acceptable since the water would be in the keg/bottles
for about a week.

When I last did this, there was what appeared to be a white jelly
looking substance that had settled at the bottom of all the bottles. I
think that this was just the sanitizing powder that I had used
disipitated from the water, but I couldn't be sure and with no way to
tell, I didn't know if it was worth the risk!!!

Some people seem to think it is okay to leave the sanitized water for
long periods, others seem tot hink that this is a problem!


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That absolutely depends on WHAT you use for sanitizer!

Chlorine, for example, with evaporate in a day or two.  Other sanitizers
will be fine for long periods.  You have to research your particular
one.

I don't remember you saying what you used... ???

In my previous post, I thought you meant sanitize your bottles and then
leave them (empty) until use.  That is OK if you are careful (ie., cover
them with foil or plastic wrap).

Derric


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I can happilly empty the contents and cover the bottles/keg.

Thanks for the advise :D

I can't remember the name of what I am using. All I know is that it is
a powder of some form. Will check it out when I back home.


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Hi

Out of pure curiosity I have just worked out how much water I use to
brew a 5(UK) gallon batch of beer:-

A) Sterilize 30 litre fermenter (fill to brim with sterilizing
solution then 4 give full rinses - yeah, I know this is too many; it's
just habit:-             150 litres

B) Water for mash:       10 litres (approx)

C) Water for sparge:     30 litres  (full hot liquor tank)

D) Water for cooling:    180 litres
(7.5 litres per minute through cooling coil as measured - for approx
24 minutes.  Water just empties into drain)

E) Sterilize keg:  150 litres (same as fermenter)

Total - 520 litres - (114.4 [UK]gallons - 137.4 [US]gallons)
    This figure does NOT include water used to clean equipment after a
brewing session.


Strewth, it's frightening; I knew I used quite a lot but this almost
compares to Las Vegas!!!!! - Lucky our water isn't on a meter and
fortunately no water restrictions are in force in my part of the UK
this Summer (yet).

Regards

KGB


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KGB wrote:

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I can't think that I use more than 20 gallons for a batch of extract brew,
which like PieOfPah needs to be conserved.  Let's see, last batch; state
of:
                               <= 5 gallons for beer
                                5 gallons to soak&sanitize beer bottles
                                5? gallons to rinse beer bottles
                                ~2 gallons sanitizing brewing equipment
                                5 gallons sanitizing carboy, needed it
yea, I was close- 22 gallons
I've never actually measured the beer bottles.
I might be better off if I just filled the sink with five gallons to rinse
them with, but it's the sink the laundry washers empty into, though I could
fill the sink I sanitize with, suppose.  
 sincerely,
      Victor

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Hi
Further to my previous post about the appalling amount of water I
waste when brewing, I have had a thought for you theorists out there.

My cooling water flows through a copper cooling coil immersed in the
wort, one end of the coil being attached to a tap (faucet in the
USA???) by a length of garden hose, the outlet from the coil being
allowed to just freely drain away - the flow being (a measured) 7.5
litres per minute with the tap/faucet turned on full.

However, do I really need to have the tap turned on full??  If I
reduce the flow to - for example - 1.75 litres per minute, then surely
the flow of cooling water through the coil would be slower thus
allowing more heat to be transferred to the cooling water which would
just drain away at a higher temperature - the end result being the
wort would be cooled to yeast pitching temperature in the same amount
of time.

Is my logic valid or not??

Regards
KGB


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Well... this has been debated here a lot, on occasion.  I think that the
final concensus, if there was such a thing, was that you can have
    fast flow, short time
or
    slow flow, longer time.

Of course, you can also be somewhere in-between.  BUT you cannot have a
slow flow and the SHORTEST time.

Personally, I continually adjust the flow to keep the water coming
out fairly warm to the touch.  So, I'm somewhere in-between the two
extremes above.  I think this conserves a lot of water and still cools
in a reasonable timeframe.

Derric


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PieOPah Wrote:
> When I last did this, there was what appeared to be a white
jelly
> looking substance that had settled at the bottom of all the bottles. I
>
think that this was just the sanitizing powder that I had used
> disipitated
from the water, but I couldn't be sure and with no way to
> tell, I didn't know
if it was worth the risk!!!

Yes the gel is the precipitated sanitizer. I
wouldn't leave it in the
bottle for a week. If you have something else to store
your water in,
then transfer it from your fermenting bin. Then when it comes
time to
bottle, add more sanitizer to the solution and go to it.

Wild


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It's strange that no one has mentioned iodophor.  

wrote:
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It's strange that no one has mentioned iodophor.  Sanitizing does not
need to take tremendous amounts of water.  Here's a quote from
http://www.handpaintedglassware.com/brewing/iodophor.html
<quote>
I asked about contact time and was told that 60 seconds was adequate.
Dr. Landman went on to comment that it is not necessary to keep the
surface completely immersed in the solution for 60 seconds. He
explained, by way of example, that to sanitize a 5 gallon carboy there
is no need to prepare 5 gallons of solution. Swishing a gallon of
solution, (at 12.5 ppm), around the inside of the carboy for a minute
or two will do the job.
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Mike wrote:

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I've done that with bleach.  It works, but last time had mold growing on the
inside so thought it wise to soak it for once.  I'd a few times for good
measure though.  

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Will give that iodophor a try. Seems to me that it is almost perfect
for what I want. Seems that it would also help speed things up,
especially when sanitising my bottles.

Thanks :D


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