Should any preservatives in canned pumpkin bother yeast?

I am planning to brew a pumpkin ale later today (my first one), and in preparation I have gone over all the pumpkin recipes on the Cat's Meow as well as those on BeerTools.com. I have also read every post that I can find in an assortment of brewing forums. Some say to add the pumpkin during the boil, while others say to add it to the mash; the mash seems more logical to me in order to achieve conversion of starches (I presume pumpkin has some), so that's what I'm planning to do. Some also say to use only fresh pumpkins, while others say it is okay to used canned pumpkin -- even in the mash -- and some even say that canned pumpkin pie filling is okay; others caution not to use the canned stuff in the mash because of the mess and possible stuck runoffs/sparges. I have a monster bazooka (10 feet long) and have never had a stuck runoff yet, including when I've used high quantities of oatmeal and even a wheat beer made with regular flour, so I'm willing to take my chances.

My question pertains to preservatives. I'm going to the store in the morning to buy the pumpkin, so I'm not sure whether I can find any cans that don't have preservatives; however, assuming the cans do contain something, is it reasonable to expect that the mashing and subsequent 90 minute boil will remove them or dilute them enough that they won't hurt the yeast? I'm planning to mash about 5 pounds of canned pumpkin in 10 pounds of grist to make a 5 gallon batch. There were some comments somewhere during the course of my research that suggested that preservatives are not a problem, but I'd like to confirm that if possible before buying it. For instance, if anyone were to definitively report that they used canned pumpkin containing preservatives and just couldn't get the yeast to ferment, and there are no contrary experiences by brewers who definitely used preservatives without problems, then I'd feel compelled to switch over to fresh pumpkin. The only reason I'm avoiding fresh is that it just seems to entail a lot of extra work that I'd like to avoid if possible.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

Bill Velek

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Bill Velek
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Bill; I started out making the regular interpetation of a pumpkin ale which I made for about 5 years (you know the one, middle of the road English pale ale with pumpkin + spices). I first tried fresh pie pumpkins, and one year tried canned. All were pretty good but somewhere along the line I got the idea to change the base beer to a porter and things got magical from there. Also, I started moving the volume of pumpkin in the mash *way* up and switched back to fresh pie pumpkins. It's not a lot of extra work and I like the whole "fall" feeling of it; it's sort of become an event around my house with lots of people showing up to help out. If you use canned pumpkin, at least be sure and bake it to get a little carmelization which will add a lot of flavor.

You have probably already bought all your ingredients, but I'll post my pumpkin porter recipe in the latest incarnation here. The spice mixture I use came from Cook's magazine "Perfect Pumpkin Pie."

5 gallons:

16 pounds of fresh sweet pie pumpkins, cut up, seeded and roasted until very soft and browned (roast cut-side up). Scrape the pumpkin out of the shell, mush it up and add it to the mash tun with the strike water.

10 lbs Marris Otter 2 lbs munich 1 lbs special B 1 lbs chocolate malt 1 lbs 20 lovibond crystal

Single infusion mash - 90 mins - @ 154.

1.5 oz northern brewer pellets @ 60 1.5 oz northern brewer pellets @ 20

Added spices with 3 minutes left of a 90 minute boil:

1tbs + 2tsp cinnamon 1tbs + 1tsp fresh ground nutmeg 1tsp ground ginger 1tsp ground mace 1tsp ground allspice .5 tsp ground cloves

Yeast: white labs WLP051

Sparge takes a long time, I suppose it would go faster if I added some rice hulls but it's never actually stuck on me yet so I've kept them out.

_Randal

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Randal

Bill, if you picked up your ingredients last weekend than you probably already know that most canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie mix) does NOT contain preservatives. I know Libby' doesn't, neither do the store brands I've bought.

Into the secondary I usually add a couple of handfulls of sanitized oak chips which I've soaked for a few days in bourbon. The bourbon/oak/ pumpkin combo is great.

Jim

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jimbeaux

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