Which books would be best to supplement brewing software?

First, I'm an experienced all grain brewer, and I have a couple of basic brewing books, so I don't need anything to explain how to brew, etc.

Second, I did spend quite a bit of time trying to research old threads via Google groups, but most of the threads seem rather 'dated' -- anywhere from a couple to several years old -- and I'm wondering if there is more info and experience out there now.

I use BeerToolsPro software to help me design my recipes, but that only provides me with the amounts and temps of strike water and infusions, sparge water, etc., along with telling me whether my ingredients will result in how many IBUs, color range, and original/final gravity, etc., but does not readily tell me, for instance, _which_ hops are the most appropriate for a given style of beer, etc. I have considered getting one or more books, and have some interest in the 'cloning' books, but have read in several old threads that they are actually not very accurate and very often use grain bills, hops, and mash schedules that are at odds with what is known (or commonly believed) to be the actual ingredients/schedule for the target brews. I am therefore wondering about 'Designing Great Beers'. Is anyone here familiar with that book, and would it be a good way to supplement brewing software? I know the easy answer is no doubt "Yes", but in what way? What I'm looking for is something that will tell me that for "this" beer or beer-style, I should use "this" type of hops, and "that" yeast, etc. Any info that will help be better appreciate "why" certain ingredients are used for a particular style would be great, too. If there are any other book recommendations, that will be appreciated, as well.

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I find 'Designing Great Beers' to be a great resource. For each beer style in the book, Ray Daniels goes through the history, traditional ingredients and techniques. He also analyzes the ingredients used in the beers that made it to the AHA National's Second Round one year (1992 IIRC). Sounds like it's very much what you're looking for.

Another possibility could be any of the books in the 'Classic Beer Style' series. I don't have any, so I can't really comment on the content.

-Vlad

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Vladimir

Designing Great Beers is a good book; the notable problem is that he has no real information on Belgian styles, and some other substyles styles are completely absent as well (Euro Dark Lager, for example).

He goes into some detail into the "whys" of ingredients, how ingredients were used historically (to the extent that that data is available), and presents a lot of information on incidence and amounts of ingredients per style based on historical NHC second round winners. This is useful, although I think the data naturally shows a build-in "contest" bias.

Overall highly recommended with the caveat that it's useless for Belgian styles.

Other good books include some books from the AHA Style series -- some are better than others. If you're into lagers, Noonan's "New Brewing Lager Beer" is quite useful. I also like Fix's "Analysis of Brewing Techniques", although some information may be more pertinent to small professional brewers than homebrewers.

I haven't cared for the "Clone Brews" book, personally. The AG recipes in particular seem poorly thought out, and in some cases just plain wrong.

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The Artist Formerly Known as K

Bill Velek :

I second the "Designing Great Beers" recommendation. Along with recipe history and analysis, there are good explanation of how to determine water usage, grainbill, and hop additions. Even if using brewing software, this stuff is good to know just for general edification.

cheers, Scott S

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Scott Sellers

Yes, I also think it's a very worthwhile book. In addition to the style chapters, the whole first part of the book covers ingredients, hitting mash temperature, calculating water needs, etc. I don't have any other single resource that has all that information gathered in one place and organized so well.

That's moderately useful, but is one aspect I think has not aged quite so well. In the last ten or so years we homebrewers have gotten access to a lot more and accurate information about about how beer styles are brewed in their native countries, and (at least in the US) have gotten much better access to grains from those places. I think we can do a much better job these days designing beers the way they are meant to be, rather than approximating them using the ingredients we had back then. Granted, the historical section of the style chapters are still very useful, but the AHA winners data is a bit, um, suspect.

I have most of them. Some are quite dated, some are written poorly, some are more up to date and more well- written. There are good (mild ale, barleywine), bad (stout), outdated (Vienna/Maerzen/Oktoberfest), and a few others that I think now have better information available elsewhere (Belgian Ale: see _Brew Like a Monk_, Lambic: see "Wild Brews").

All the above is my opinion, of course.

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Joel

Yep, I have three of those books (not Fix's book) and I would have to agrree

100% percent with your conclusions. Noonans's book is very useful if you're into lagers in a big way, which I am. Steve W (in Aus) .
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Steve/Aus

I would consider the new Brewing Classic Styles by Jamil Zainasheff and John Palmer. Jamil Zainasheff is an expert on styles and would not steer you wrong on ingredients and John Palmer is pretty solid technically.

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Fred L Johnson

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