Would appreciate suggestions for a good beer.

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I think "American" beers are too watery.
I tend to like German beers.

I'm looking for a sweet beer with good flavor, and preferably strong,
v/s the watered down taste of American beer.

Also, as a child I use to drink something I believe was called Kinder
Beer in Germany.  It was a beer for kids.  I assume it was
non-alcoholic.  We would have it delivered to the house and it came in
a bottle with a ceramic top held on by wire.  You could flip the wire
and open the drink, or flip it and clamp it shut.  Does anyone have
any information or recall anything like this.

I'd be most grateful for any information and I will keep it to myself.
I'd never gossip.
Thanks

Ron Cli Bon

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Yeah all those weak watery American beers like Arrogant Bastard, Rogue
Old Crustacean, Bear Republic Hop Rod Rye, Sierra Nevada Bigfoot, Great
Divide Yeti Imperial Stout, Victory Old Horizontal, Sam Adams Imperial
Pilsner, Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA, Avery The Beast ....

Man, if only I could find some non-weak watery American beer.

_Randal


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Come to Oklahoma ....

Oh, and when you *deliberately mis-understand for comic effect*, it
helps if you are funny.

steveb

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I think I understood his implication quite clearly.

_Randal


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steveb mentioned Oklahoma.  There are **MANY** states that you can't get
*ANY* beers on this list in (nothing over 5% for exmaple).  North Carolina
just changed their law this past year thanks to a major effort by these
folks: popthecap.org

If you can get all these locally, consider yourself fortunate.

Derric


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Looks like I need to define **MANY** a little better ... this site:
    http://www.freethehops.org/ says their are 4 states now that restrict the ABV to 6%.  They
say Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, and West Virginia are the
states.  I wonder why they don't list Oklahoma?  I thought it was
lower than 6%.  And Utah?

Derric



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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:18:19 -0000, Derric

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Oklahoma doesn't limit ABV like this ..... only for those beers sold
outwith liquor stores.

BudMillCoors however, only supply 3.2% to Oklahoma.

In any event, the actual alcoholic content of beer isn't the only
issue .... it's prolly not even the main issue. That has to do with
taste and character.

I wrote a little bit about it here:

http://www.thebrackenfamily.info/html/2005/11/budmillcoors.html
steveb

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    I see.
Because I live in an ass backwards state, I am at fault for being
ignorant of even the existence of the mentioned beers.

It was only in the last 20 years that ANY store could be open on
Sunday.

No ETOH beverage can be sold on Sunday in my state, even now.  With
Sunday defined as starting at 11PM Sat and ending 0600 Monday.  (How
this cannot be seen as a violation of church and state is certainly
beyond me.)

And, more to the point, while you took time out to berate me for my
ignorance of all the beers I cannot get in my state, you certainly did
nothing to answer my question.

I am not a troll and I didn't post a question such as "I think
American beers are weak - Please give me grief and flame me.)
Re the %ETOH in the beverage, I have had mixed drinks that I could
describe as watery in taste.  The has to do with the intensity of the
flavors not the strength of the ETHO.

And please excuse me, really, I have not taken my Lexapro today.
That being said, one might theorize that I am ignorant and don't drink
much beer because I usually end up sitting next to someone like you at
the bar.  All ready to pop off, but usually just half cocked.  But
again, I don't mean to debase you. I'm just trying to point out how
unhelpful your comment was.

Now I've wasted my time posting the question because I am sorry to say
I have no doubt offended the regulars here and will get no helpful
advice from this point.  You wasted your time making comments about
the post rather then helping with the question.  Now I've gone and
pissed away another 5 min pointing out how stupid you seem.  And for
what?
I'm not surprised I have to take my meds.  What surprises me is the
fact that not everyone has to take them.

I only wanted advice on good beer.  Jeez!





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States With Definitions Not Based On Alcohol Content  
Alaska
Arizona
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Florida
Hawaii
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
 Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming  

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Ronald Cliborn Wrote:
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Could you be a bit more specific? Do you want suggestions for good
store-bought beer or good home brew recipes?

If it's home brew hints you want, then you should also tell if you have
any
previous experience, or if you're a complete newbie.

I'm kind of a newbie myself, I've only been brewing for about a year
now.
The easiest way to get to homebrewing is to use no-boil beer kits like

Cooper's, Munton's or Woodfordes. I'm sure there are a lot of other
brands
that make kits like these, but these are the ones I've used and found
good
for the money.

Making beer from extract kits like the ones mentioned above also
requires
very little equipment; just two fermentation buckets/carboys,
hydrometer,
siphon, capper and bottles. And of course something to sanitize your
equipment with.

Instructions in beer kits are usually quite bad, but if you do two
things in
addition to what's in the instructions then you should come out ok. The

two things are aerating the wort and rehydrating the dry yeast.

If you don't have a local home brew store then there are many home brew

shops online, here's a couple that are located in the U.S.:

www.annapolishomebrew.com
www.listermann.com
www.morebeer.com

And for general information about homebrewing you can see
www.howtobrew.com

Hopefully this will be of help.


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Bah.

I hardly berated you - this is usenet for God's sake. When you
deliberately single out "American" beer, quotes and all to be watery
and do it twice it looks a hell of a lot like trolling to me. If not,
then my apologies - if you want advice on good beer it would help to
tell us where you are located.

_Randal


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I am many things, I'd even agree to being an ass, but a troll......
Well, maybe once when the net was young, bots ran wild and you could
still fish slap people.

But, as stated, I'm looking for a strong ( FLAVOR ), sweet beer. Honey
Brown is not bad, but I'd like better.

Also, regarding my comment about American beers, most of the dives I
seldom visit carry nothing but Micholobe or Bush, maybe a corona.
After a few coronas, the others seem like water.

I live in Greensboro Georgia.  If you can find that on a map, you
would be doing well.  We are home to Atlanta's Elite rich, and the
extremely poor with very few in between.  GW frequents the Golf course
here quite often.  They have more police then the population of the
city when that happens.

So, lay it on me.  I want a good beer.
I had something in Ohio in a German restaurant that was very very
good.  Dark and "sweet."  Not very bitter.  I've not found anything
like it locally.  And after a few of the beers I couldn't remember the
name.

RC



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Okay, a quick google search shows that Oskar Blues (from Lyons
Colorado) is now available in Georgia. They are a great microbrewery
that cans a lot of great beers. Their canned scottish style ale called
"Old Chubb" is malty sweet and delicious. Their "Dale's Pale Ale" is
also good but very hoppy so that may not be up your alley.

The dark sweet German beer you had was most likely either a doppelbock
or schwarzbier. Two great examples are Ayinger Celebrator and
Koestritzer respectively. Both should now be available since Georgia
"popped the cap" and has allowed beer up to 14% alcohol since July
2004. Actually if you look around you might find lots of new and better
beers making their way to your state.

Here, take a look at this link for other breweries / brewpubs / Good
beer stores in GA:

http://beeradvocate.com/beerfly/list?path=%2Fbeerfly%2Flist&sort=name&show=search&name=&city=&s_id=GA&c_id=&zip=&area=&submit=+search+&brewery=Y&brewpub=Y&bop=Y&marketing=Y&bar=Y&store=Y&homebrew=Y
_Randal


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Agree with the other poster that this was probably a dobblebock.
Another one to look for is Spaten Optimator.  Go take a look at
www.beeradvocate.com and look under the bocks and dobblebocks for
others.

Derric



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my husband make a really good wheat beer that sounds like something
you'd like. It was a hefeweizen recipe..so I guess you could just look
in specialty liquor stores for a weizen type beer. We threw in an extra
pound of dry malt extract and made it have more body. He does the beer,
I do the wine so I don't know all the ins and outs. But it came out
excellent!
If you can't find a beer you're looking for,sometimes you just have to
make it yourself :) He got used to weizens in Germany and he was
looking for it ever since..so that's one of the reasons we started
making our own..so we could come up with something we like.  Plus it's
cheaper than going to the specialty liquor store and picking up a four
pack every now and then.


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That would be a chocolate malt(steeped) single bock beer with 3/4 ounce hop
treatment, half at the beginning half at the end
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Ronald Cliborn wrote:

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Ok, beer is three things:  hop, malt, water, yeast, grains(for Character,
color, and charm), and herbs(spice, bouqet`, bombasticaphex).

chose accordingly, mix, and have beer!

Things that can thicken beer: Oatmeal, barley flakes, cracked wheat berries.
Things that : barleys, malts, cracked malts, coffee, chocolate.
 can darken beer
Things that resemble good beer but drink like a german beer:  Black Dog Ale


We aren't hiding any recipes from you, honest.
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:32:15 -0500, Ronald Cliborn

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Several good books on the subject.

I'd start with 150 Clone Brews, and go from there.

steveb

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You might also try looking at http://www.geocities.com/bob_girolamo/ for
some
more recipes. While you're there, check out this guy's brewery and
pub. Pretty
sweet.


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My fave is Leinenkugel...if it is spelled right. Very nice American beer.
For foreign beer I go for Stella.


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Depending on where you are Cooper's Sparkling Ale is a good Aussie beer.
Full flavour and a kick like a mule.



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