TN: 8 US wines, 7 French wines, 1 Austrian wine, 1 US mead

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Social overload week continues. Thursday we had a group of neighbors and fr
iends for dinner. Hors d'oeuvres were marinated olives and canapes of crack
ers or cucumber slices with salmon or white bean spread (with or without ol
ives). Greeting wine was the NV Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Brut. Lighter fra
med, good acids, green apple and bread dough. Not very long. B

Dinner was bouillabaisse plus Brussels sprouts, caprese salad, and a green  
salad.  
2013 Mas de Gourgonnier rose (Les Baux de Provence)
Strawberries and herbs, medium acidity, good finish, nice with the stew. B

2010 de Villlaine Aligote (Bouzeron)  
Lemony, sharp, lean but tasty. B

2013 Pepiere Muscadet
Saline and sapid, crisp and minerally. B++

1996 Joguet "Les Varennes du Grand Clos" Chinon
Black cherries, tobacco, earth, herbs, more tobacco. Fine showing B+/A-

1982 Ch. Roguet (Pomerol)
A grand old lady in her last days, still some black plum and cassis fruit,  
lusher texture. There's some incipient ashtray, needs to be drunk up, but g
iving pleasure. B/B+

2013 Clos du Roillete (Coudert) Fleurie
I think this is going to be a classic Fleurie. Red and black raspberries, m
oderate tannins, bright acids, cocoa, pepper, herbs. Drinking well, but I t
hink will improve in cellar. B++

Fun night. Friday I was in charge of dinner- grilled herbed pork tenderloin
, squash, asparagus, and bouillabaisse-flavored Israeli couscous. Wine was  
the 2007 Knoll Ried Schütt Riesling Smaragd- Lovely dry broad shouldered  
Riesling, with citrus, mineral, and smoke notes. Full flavored, balanced, l
ong. A-

After dinner I prepared for the arrival of my local non-serious wine group.
 I had some local charcuterie (beef prosciutto, saucisson sec, chorizo), ch
eeses, grape leaves, and the like. Theme was California Red Wines from Bord
eaux Varieties. Folks enjoyed the Knoll and Fleurie as we gathered. Then we
 headed to patio (gorgeous cool evening) for the blind wines

Wine #1 - Decanted in advance. I knew what it was as I supplied for a late  
invitee. Guesses were much younger. Plenty of dark fruit, midweight, resolv
ed tannins, cocoa. Easygoing. Not complex, but tasty. 1997 Beringer Knights
 Valley Cabernet Sauvignon B

Wine #2= jammy, fruity, sweet. I guess Napa CS. Nope. 2012 Hahn Meritage  
(Central Coast)
35% Merlot, 34% Malbec, 27%Cabernet Sauvignon, 4 % Petit Verdot. B-/C+
Wine #3- a little better balanced and more structured, but somewhat clipped
 on finish.  
2012 Gordon Estate Cabernet Sauvignon (Columbia Valley) B-
(Roger said "well it was in California section" )

Wine #4 - lots of eucalyptus makes it interesting, lots of oak detracts. Bi
g, but not hot or overextracted. Less oak and I think I'd have liked this a
 lot. 2012 Frias Cabernet Sauvignon (St Helena, Napa) B-

Wine #5- Good showing. Red fruits, resolved tannins, balanced acids, cedar,
 leather. Guesses were 10-12 years old, probably group favorite. 1982 Burge
ss Vintage Selection Cabernet Sauvignon B+/A-

Wine #6 Just a whisper of oak, herby, medium bodied, surprised to see Santa
 Ynez
2012 Beckman Cabernet Sauvignon (Santa Ynez) B

Wine #7 Dark fruit, lots of green tobacco and herb, so I say it has a lot o
f Cab Franc. Once Marc confirms I can guess the wine, as we split a case wh
en they were blownout 5-6 years ago. 2006 Havens Bourriquot B+

Wine #8 - acidic, but with interesting cassis fruit and lots of leather and
 barnyard. I guessed 70s, but would have never gotten region. Fun,. 1979 Na
varro Cabernet Sauvignon B/B+

We also tried the Helderberg Meadworks Heritage. I gotta say I had trouble  
getting past the nose. I finally realized- stadium urinal- pee and urinal c
akes. Actually on palate it was much friendlier, but I'm not switching from
 wine to mead any time soon.  

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine,
 B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a p
arty where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivi
ty, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

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Joguet was one of the first Domaines from the Loire that I learnt to  
appreciate. My last bottle, of this same vineyard and a lesser vintage  
(could be 1999) was stunning.

Last week the wines shown up in 1jour1vin and I got a stash of different  
vineyards, for the sake of memory.

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Those damned french, with their double consonants always in the wrong place  
(I think it is Roilette).

Now seriously, this is a winery that is so under the radar in the french  
guides (RVF plus BD) but has a strong following in UK and USA. I have had a  
Cuv?e Tardive and loved it. But difficult to find.


Last week here it was Georges Descombes Morgon 2009 which was astonishingly  
good (A+) and Foillard Morgon Cote du Py 2010 that was very good specially  
considering the vintage (B+/A) with a plus for its buvability (easy to  
drink) and very nice red fruit with vivid acidity.

s.

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On Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:19:04 AM UTC-4, santiago wrote:
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Lucky you!

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Indeed, sorry about that

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That Descombes is lovely. Ever had the Foillard 3.14? Great stuff

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I will tell you when I drink them ;) since I have no experience with the  
Joguet under the new regime (post 2005).

I tend to drink quite some Chinon and have a preference for Baudry over  
Alliet which I tend to find a bit "modern" in the oak use. Will see with  
these Joguets. BTW, I have quite some Baudry's 2009 but I just could not  
resist and purchased another bottle of Croix Boiss?e 2009 last friday. Will  
go this week and I may end up buying yet another case.

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No need to say sorry. Hapenns to me a few times everyday. Frappato /  
Frapatto is another one I never get right.

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Never had 3.14. I am now trying to try Daniel Bouland. BTW, the new cool  
guy in Beaujolais seems to be Desjourneys. Ever had one?



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On 29/09/2014 10:24 AM, santiago wrote:

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what do you think of his wines. My favourite shop has a couple of his  
wines, a Morgon and a Côtes de Brouilly but at $33 I have been a bit  
reluctant to try them.
Graham

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Have not been able to try them, not available in Spain. Hopefully they will  
show up in a french website of those that I patronize, but not till now.

I read that his wines are amongst the most affordable in -good quality-  
Beaujolais Cru, so $33 seem a bit high to me.


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On 29/09/2014 10:48 AM, santiago wrote:
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It's partly the shipping cost. I live in W. Canada.
Graham

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On 9/29/14 12:24 PM, santiago wrote:
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You and me, both, Santiago.  I have more of Baudry's on 2009s than any
other producers.  All in all, I tend to prefer the Grezeaux to the Croix
Boissée, but that's largely about pricing ;-)

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I've heard very good things about Bouland, but haven't yet had one.  G.
Descombes is very good, however, as is Coudert/Roilette.

Mark Lipton


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That's interesting because, actually, what Chinon is famous for, which is a  
soil of chalk (tuffeau) is more like Croix Boiss?e than like Les Grezeaux,  
which is a soil with small stones. I like both but I find Les Grezeaux a  
bit more difficult (specially with tannins). BTW, In 2009 I got Croix  
Boiss?e and Clos Guillot in bottles and Grezeaux in magnums ;)

BTW, in my last visit to the Domaine (last year), Matthieu told me that  
2005 is a vintage of a lifetime for them and when I got home I was  
reassured by watching my two cases ;)

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Today I got some bottles from idealwine in France. They are making a vente  
? prix fixe of wines from Beaujolais. Got Daniel Bouland Morgon Corcelette  
and Morgon Vielles Vignes (2012 and 2013), Foillard Corcelette and Cote du  
Py 2012, Chignard Cuv?e Sp?ciale 2012 and Descombes Morgon Vielles Vignes  
2012. Sadly, no Coudert this time, but I still have a couple of bottles  
from a previous sale.

12 bottles, 164 euro, plus 24 shipping. That's around 18 euro per bottle  
and, frankly, wines drink so well without the need to keep them for very  
long. One of the wine regions where I still find very good value. However,  
I have also had some dissapointments, as was the case with Coquelet. My  
only bottle of Thillardon was good but not outstanding.

I was wondering about Chateau des Jacques, but all the sales were for lots  
of 6 bottles so I finally did not purchase.

s.


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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:06:27 -0400, Mark Lipton wrote:

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I like the straight Domaine.  The 2009 is drinking beautifully, which is  
why I don't have much of it!

Cheers,

-E

P.S. Hey Santiago do you have your dates for November yet?  As usual  
planning is getting more complicated...

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@mid.individual.net:

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Wasn't it oxidized the last one you opened?

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Yes, 5th or 6th will fit me. I sent you an email one minute ago.

s.

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:11:43 +0000, santiago wrote:

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It was, I'd forgotten.  The rest were gorgeous though.  Settling my  
calendar for your visit, will reply by email in a couple of days.

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On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:27:21 -0700, DaleW wrote:

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So as fate would have it I spotted this at the supermarket (left over  
from the Foire aux Vins I think) and took home 3 bottles to try, before  
reading your note!  May I ask what this is going for elsewhere?  They've  
priced it at €10.70 which seems quite good to me.

We are not drinking on Tuesdays, so I haven't tried it yet.

A good deal?  I may go back and get more.

-E

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@mid.individual.net:

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I purchased Roilette Fleurie last year at idealwine and it was 9,50 euro /  
bottle, and Cuv?e Tardive at 11,50 euro / bottle.  


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If you are drinking on Wednesdays, you are just 47 minutes away to crack  
one bottle and then decide whether you go to the supermarket tomorrow at  
9am for more ;)


s

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:14:16 +0000, santiago wrote:

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Yes me too on your recommendation.  That was '12 though.
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Sadly Wednesday morning counts with Tuesday evening for us. ;)

-E

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:14:16 +0000, santiago wrote:

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I enjoyed the Coudert.  A very good middle palate, I found more bell  
pepper in the front and so wouldn't rate it quite as highly as Dale, but  
I did like it enough to pick up a case!

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On 30/09/2014 2:47 PM, Emery Davis wrote:
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GOOD DEAL???? I'm paying ~€18 and ~€20 for the Cuvée Tardive! :-(
That's my fault for living in W.Canada, I suppose.
Graham

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:24:40 -0600, graham wrote:

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Ouch.  Of course there are other advantages in living where you do,  
perhaps! I'm a supporter of the UBC arboretum, for example.

Still that's a lot. :(

-E

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