ethical green tea wine

OK here's my latest experiment while I wait for my pears to ripen.

16 teaspoons or teabags of Fair Trade Green Tea 250g of chopped raisins 1kg of sugar rind, flesh and juice of 2 limes, (don't take the pith) Nutrient and yeast as usual

Make up just under 1g of medium-strong green tea, strain off the leaves/teabags and pour over the other ingredients. Pitch yeast when cool enough and carry on as usual.

I picked up straight green tea by accident, meant to get jasmine green tea. I'll add jasmine when I get some.

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alien
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So this recipe will not work with "unethical" green tea? ;-)

I recall a conversation as a teenager where my friend was relating an incident to his parents. As he told the tale, he made a reference to "a black guy" and his parents stopped him at that point and asked him, what importance is there that this person was black? Of course there was none. The lesson to be learned, which stuck with me, is that when non-essential details like that are thrown in, it reveals something about the person speaking.

So I have to wonder, was this posting about winemaking, or about promoting ethical green tea, as you call it? You reference it twice, in the subject line and in the recipe. That would seem to be your focus. It's not that ethical trade is a bad thing, it just has nothing to do with this forum's raison d'etre.

Brian

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Brian Lundeen

I personally don't see anything wrong with calling it "ethical green tea wine". It's my recipe, I can call it what I like. Yes it will work if you don't use fair trade tea.

Most people are good people, there will be people reading this who don't know what fair trade goods are. Some will investigate, realise its a good way of helping people without putting too much effort in and start buying fair trade tea and coffee if their supermarket sells it.

No, advocating fair trade goods as a pure post wouldn't be on topic for this forum, but mentioning it as part of an on-topic post is fairly innocent. Would posting about a wine competition with the entry fee and any other money raised be off-topic?

I am a fair trade advocate, for many reasons. This isn't a political forum, so those reasons don't belong here. This recipe actually grew from a discussion in another thread. I put the fair trade reference in to say "if you didn't know already, this stuff exists".

However, it does have some relevence. If you was to investigate fair trade tea, you'd notice that the growing conditions are more ecological friendly and usually organic. Many people I know drink the stuff not from ethical reasons, but because of the quality.

Are you just one of those trolls that nit picks to start flame wars?

Reply to
alien

Well I, for one agree, with Brian.

You cannot sidestep the issue by saying it was not a political statement in your first post. My own reaction to the post was similar to Brian's but I did not make comment.

Your second post only confirms that your first post was a pre-considered political statement. That being so then Brian's post was a legitimate response and not nitpicking by a troll

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pinky

Acutally it was a spur of the moment thing, I was already typing out the recipe and thought why not raise a little bit of awareness? The primary concern was the recipe, if you read the post on lemon tea wine, you'd know this. I used fair trade tea to make my wine, why not state that in the recipe? It's my recipe, it was _my_ choice to use fair trade tea and I named it to reflect that.

Why shouldn't I put a _minor_ bit of activism in a post (5 words in the whole post), it doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't detract from the idea and could do some good in the world? I didn't launch into a tirade about fair trade, explain what it is and won't do so. I didn't attack people for not using fair trade goods, and have no intention of doing so. Picking me up on this point is silly and anal retentive. So I sidestepped off-topic slightly; if you don't like it, be an adult and ignore it. If I want to argue politics, there's better places to do so. There's better places to focus my energy than a newsgroup in promoting fair trade too. I'd rather discuss the wine, unless someone wants more information about fair trade, then I'll post some urls for them.

If I'd used foul language, spammed, or had been abusive to someone else, fair enough. As it is you are just trying to tell me what I can and can't post on a public forum.

For me, this little flame war is over, I'll leave that to the people who enjoy such things.

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alien

Yes, but look on the bright side. By raising this issue, you got to make all those other points. I did you a favour in furthering your goal of raising awareness. Why aren't you thanking me? ;-)

Brian

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Brian Lundeen

No such thing as bad publicity? :)

Reply to
Ross McKay

call me ignorant, but as i read the first post, I never even picked up on the "Fair Trade", but simply saw the Green Tea. Thought it was perhaps a brand name, such as lipton... And as for ethical, I thought he had perhaps dropped the "n", because I thought of green tea as ethnic....saw loads of it when I browsed a wonderful Japanese market when I recently visited Chicago.

It's been interesting in this thread to see what people are alert to or sensitive to. I would say part of it is personal, if you are someone who is aware and advocating some issues. Another part seems to be cultural or national. Perhaps Fair Trade is much more of an issue in the UK than it is here in the US. At least in my area, i get green tea because I like it... Actually buy it in leaf form at my winemaking supply store, as it also sells cigars in its own humidor, incense, beer supplies, tea leaves, etc.... Fair trade, ethical, ethnic, green....i get it because I like it. "Ethical tea wine"... would make for a wonderful conversation starter!

But please don't see the lack of understanding of issues, because we may live on opposite sides of the pond, and have different sensitivities, as automatically being a flame war. Let's continue to enjoy learning from each other and sharing with each other about the craft and hobby that unites us: winemaking.

Good luck with your Tea wine, and eventually with your pear wine.

Rick

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Rick Vanderwal

Sorry if I was a bit nasty, I'd just been told I'm not allowed to drink for at least 2 months (and maybe never again :( ) so wasn't in the best of moods.

I quite often play devils advocate, can be fun.

Thanks ;)

Reply to
alien

Sorry if I was out of order, I'd just been told to give up drinking for at least 2 months, and there's a chance it will be for ever. As you can probably imagine I wasn't in the best of moods. Especially as my methegelin is smelling and tasting like its going to be amazing.

Thanks! ;)

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alien

Thunderbird went mad on me, apoligies for the double post.

Reply to
alien

Not really the place, but at the risk of antagonising a few people:

Fair trade is something that actually started in the US I believe, though its taking off quite well in the UK. Starbucks, at least here, are big supporters, as are Oxfam and the Co-op. Most supermarkets now stock fair trade goods.

Over the past few years the major companies have forced the price of coffee and tea down to levels that the growers simply can not survive on. Fair trade ensures that the majority of the profits are given to the growers, who in turn agree to spend them on education, environmental and medical facilities in their communities. Its a great way of helping less fortunate people without letting them rely on charity, all it takes is spending a little bit more on your tea and coffee.

Thanks for the support, the tea wine is smelling good, the lime is complimenting the tea. Took a while to start fermenting, I'm wondering if green tea naturally inhibits yeast growth?

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alien

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