Question on cutting corners

I'm currently fermenting:

1/2 gallon of 100% not-from-concentrate apples juice, store bought 1/2 gallon of apples pressed into juice, bought in the produce section of the grocery store 1 gal water, unfiltered straight tab water (city chlorinated) 1.25 lb white sugar 1 lb brown sugar 1/2 cup of unpasteurized honey 1 campden tablet 1 pkg of wine yeast

in a some large 5 1/2 gallon pail with a lid and bubbler air lock. I cleaned everything with hot water and a very light bleech solution and rinsed it very well. The yeast was not started in advance, and in the

1st 24 hours it didn't bubble at all. The pail is sitting in a bathtub at around 65 F and I put in 5 inches of luke warm water in the tub twice. I opened the lid once to give it a good stir. It's now over 24 hours and the bubbler air lock does a quick 5 gargles every 15 seconds or so, very cute. This is my first batch 8-).

Questions:

1) did I do ok so far? Was I too skimpy with the sugar, and if so, should I add something sugary?

2) is it possible to not carboy, and put it straight in whatever bottles I have around, like plastic 2 liter pop bottles, used wine bottles with screw caps. I'd use siphoning to bottle. Then wait for dead yeast to sink in the bottles, and then just carefully pour into a glass for consumption? Perhaps float some gelatin on top in the bottle to help with the filtering?

3) bypass the carboy, and float some gelatin on top in the pail, which then 'curtains' down and filters things a bit, then bottle?

4) or if I carboying it after it stops bubbling in a week, could I put some gelatin on top to speed up the process?

5) this batch is just over 8 gallons, and I haven't bought a carboy yet. Carboys seem to be 20 gallon or so, obviously leaving a lot of air on top. Is this ok, if I lock the carboy with an bubbler air lock, and rely on the heavier CO2 to prevent air contact? Or should the carboy be always filled to the top, in which case I need to find a different small better fitting container as a carboy somehow?

6) if I carboy it, could I perhaps not bottle it, and leave it in the carboy for storage? What I envision of doing is float something on top of the wine inside the carboy, to prevent air from reaching the wine. Or else (this is somewhat strange), insert a hose into the carboy, and then a bag on top inside the carboy. When you suck wine out throught the hose, the bag inflates, covering the wine. I could blow some air into the bag to make a tight fit inside the bottle, leaving no air this way. The attempt in all this is to bypass the bottling and go straight from carboy to consumption.

7) carboy it through siphoning. Wait about a month, then bottle it through siphoning it. Find a carboy that leaves no air on top.

8) when bottling, although I'm a complete rookie at this point, add a small amount of sugar to create bubbles and bottle in plastic pop bottles, which could perhaps be stronger and safer than glass bottles.

My main source of information has been a book called "The Alaskan Bootlegger's Bibble", by Leon W. Kania, which I find a very amusing and encouraging book. The cutting corners and the bag thing was my idea.

I have to continue to the fund the KGBO in the meantime (LCBO Canadian liquor control board, run like an expensive 3/4 billion dollar profit (not revenue) government operation, KGBO is an appropriate nickname - not that they don't do a good job, but they're otherwise a pure and utter ripoff, with a completely nonsense and inconsistent pricing structure. You can't get much half decent belgian beer around here.

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Mike
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Juice can vary in sugar content, so its difficult to calculate whether you have the right amount of sugar or not. It's always best to test sugar content with a hydrometer, but now that it's fermenting, it's too late for that. If I understand correctly what you've done, you have 1 US gallon of juice (which probably contained about 17% sugar) plus 1 US gallon of water (containing no sugar), for a total of 2 US gallons of must (containing ~8.5% sugar). To this you've added about 2.5 pounds of sugar. This seems about right, and should yield about 12.5% a.b.v.

If your bathtub is in the bathroom, I would get the wine out of there immediately. There are germs in the air, and odors which I doubt you want absorbed into your wine. If your goal is to increase the temperature of the must, buy a heating pad at the local pharmacy for about $15, and use it on the lowest setting. Use a few layers of towel to keep the temperature from getting too high.

When the wine stops fermenting, it will be very cloudy. It takes months (and often the use of fining agents) for all the sediment to precipitate. It's necessary to siphon the wine off the sediment several times during these months. If you bottle it now, you will have a much more difficult job in re-racking. If you leave it "on the sediment" in those bottles, it will develop very unpleasant "off" flavours. Get a couple of 1-gallon glass jugs for carboys. You can use them again later.

I don't recommend using gelatin. Apple wine should (and almost always does) clear by itself with time. If it does not, bentonite will do the job. Gelatine, when required, is used for different purpose. Filtering is used to polish a clear wine. Attempts to clear a wine by filtering will only clog the filters, and expose the wine to excess air.

No.

No.

I only count 2 gallons, plus perhaps .25 gallon of liquid sugar. And you said it was in a 5.5 gallon pail. Do you mean 8 litres?

Standard 1/2 and 1-gallon jugs will function as carboys. "Proper" glass carboys are available in 2.8, 3.0, 5.0, and 6.0 gallon sizes. I've never seen or heard of a 20-gallon one (It would weigh over 200 pounds). You should use the closest size to your volume, and/or a combination of smaller carboys.

No. You need to use the proper size carboy(s) and top up with distilled water or similar wine.

Yes.

You are trying to rush a process which can (and should) take over a year. Yes, when the wine is ready for consumption, you can use such a contraption (or purchase the type that are used in bars). But why bother? Wine ages better in bulk, so use the largest carboy you have, rather than a bunch of smaller ones, or bottles. When it's time to drink, get a siphon and drink everything at once --- or bottle some, and rack the remainder into smaller carboys, so it continues to improve with bulk aging, or bottle the lot.

By all means. Purchase a stainless-steel fermenter with a floating lid. You should be able to find one for under $1000. Then wait at least a year before bottling.

You will be making a "safe" hand grenade. The "small amounts of sugar" will NOT create bubbles unless they start fermenting, and if they do, they will create enough CO2 to explode. Of course, flying pieces of HDPE are a bit safer than shards of glass, but please don't bring either around me.

If these ideas came from the book, it seems very amusing, and a bit frightening.

My apologies to Mr. Kania.

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Negodki

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