Insanity of the wine industry

Tom,

I have cut and pasted previous posts from this thread. In answer to your question, NO,, in the US if a label contains "contains sulfites" you can be fairly certain that the winery has added sulfites to the wine,, or wine to the sulfites.

a very small residual of sulfites remain in wine due to the process of fermentation. (less than 10 parts per million). If a winery in France or in Cali tell you that they dont add sulphites, in 99.99% of the cases,, they would be lying to you. A simple way to verify this is to see if the US label says "contains sulphites". In the USA, if a wine contains more than

10ppm free SO2 than it has to be tagged "contains sulphites". Rarely will you have a finished wine that contains more than 10ppm from naturally occuring sulphites. You can then assume that wines tagged "contains sulphites" have sulphites added during processing or botteling by the winemaker. In France, this law does not exist so the French simply tell their customers that they dont add sulphits. After all, this is what the customer wants to hear.

I hear alot of winemakers who dont like to admint (for unknown reasons) that they add SO2 directly to their wine so they claim that residual SO2 gets into their wine by using it as a sterilizer. This is even more dubious considering the fact that SO2 is an anti-oxidizing agent and DOES NOT STERILIZE. It is also combined with citric acid and used as a oak barrel treatment where barrel is filled up immediatly after the agent is discarded. When doing this they can still claim that there is no sulfite is added to the wine,, and they are telling the truth,, the wine is added to the sulfites. LOL.

Unless a winery is going after the trendy, yup-yup organic crowed they would definatly add sulphites. Any winemaker who cares about the quality and the longevity of his wines will add sulphites. The additions are crucial to quality winemaking by todays standards.

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Vincent Vega
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LOL,, What are you people doing? You disagree with what I am saying so you are trying to discredit me as an individual? A pesonal smear campaign? How pathetic. This truely shows your mentality.

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Vincent Vega

How pathetic. Dont focus on the points I am making,, just try and get information on me so you can attack me personally. So typical of closed-minded, drone-like followers.

Reply to
Vincent Vega

Apparently,

TROLL = SOMEONE WITH A DIFFERENT POINT-OF-VIEW

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Vincent Vega

"Vincent Vega" wrote in news:d_Scc.133$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrdny02.gnilink.net:

You have raised our couriousity by claiming to be a wine maker who might offend his patron if they knew who you really were. Hint If you make good wine we will drink it regardless of what a jerk you may be.

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jcoulter

Why the sarcasim? Please explain yourself and stop making pointless statements that are supposed to mean something to like-minded individuals. Sarcasim doesnt help to inform or win a debate. It is simply a sign of frustration and incompetence.

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Vincent Vega

I highly doubt you are capable of not being bias.

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Vincent Vega

"Vincent Vega" wrote in news:a7Tcc.9457$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrdny03.gnilink.net:

Try us on that. What wines do you make?

Reply to
jcoulter

Keep searching and you will find out although you are most likely outside of my market.

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Vincent Vega

I too have enjoyed the company of Dr. Lipton. It would seem that we have discovered his secret - he has no home! He simply travels the globe visiting one wine fanatic after another! Better living through chemistry I think he said. No wait a minute, that might have been Timothy Leary.....

Reply to
Bill Spohn

How about these?

M.

Reply to
Michael Pronay

Much better:

M.

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Michael Pronay

Hah! That motto adorned my college yearbook page, back in those days when I more fully embraced the Dionysian lifestyle -- and back before Dupont grew wary of associating themselves with the science that made them wealthy. And, Bill, why should I not peregrinate when fellows like you sport such wonderful cellars to dip into? Beats plundering my own meager stash... ;-)

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

I assume you must be discussing a smelly cheese?

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dick

*cough* I don't recall uttering more than two sentences, as I was too busy stuffing food and wine into my face the entire time we were with you. Jean still comments in pleased amazement at going to a *tomato* tasting after a day spent touring Bandol's best wineries. And then there's that bouillabaise... ;-)

I do, too. It sounds priceless. I can readily imagine the state of apoplexy that Mr. B's pronouncement must have induced in Ian. It's a miracle that he didn't suffer an aneurism on the spot! ;-)

Will do.

Mark Lipton

p.s. Did you know that Slow Food America is running a Pinot Noir & Pork pairing with the importer Kobrand? They've got quite a lineup of chefs, but the wines (IMO) are not nearly as impressive.

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Mark Lipton

He has left his mark in Washington, DC as well.

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Bill

I would have called it a Wine & Swine Pairing...

Too bad about the wines, but how are the pigs? Next time you come over I will make sure we have some cured ham from "Noir gascon" pigs, imagine the complexity of iberico but the delicacy of San Daniele... and made in France, not one of the best places in the world for charcuterie...!

Mike

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Mike Tommasi

Ah, this is all too much. How about you all come visit Connecticut, as long as you bring the respective delicacies and bottles along? :)

I saw the ads for the US Slow Food event, and am contemplating, but time is pretty scarce right now :(.

Ewan (who at least was down in Charlottesville this past weekend, and picked up some local organic-raised ham. Yum.)

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Ewan McNay

Well, he hit the NYC area too. I invited them for dinner. He and Jean showed up absolutely blitzed, staggering around and crowing re the wonders of a "Purdue Fizz" - apparently Gallo Hearty Burgundy topped off with Krug.

Once they got to my place (after an interlude where Mark screamed "I'm gonna hang from the chandelier" and then proceeded to pull down a ceiling fan), we attempted to have a meal. I say attempted, as the food fight between Mark and Jean meant most of the food ended up on the floor.

I really tried to calm them down, but Mark got incensed when he found out most of my cellar was off-premises. "You expect me to drink this swill? Where's the Beaucastel, the Grand Crus, the 1st Growths? I NEED Screaming Eagle!" He started uncorking bottle after bottle, taking one swig, then spitting it out on the floor, declaring it "Parkerized Swill"

Maybe the worse vinuous experience of my life.

OK, that's all a lie, Mark and Jean were charming. But I felt this unchallenged Liptonphilia was getting a little out of hand. :)

Dale

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Dale Williams

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