yixing teapots

Dec 30, 2003 40 Replies

Hey Marshall,

Here is how it is done, when an artist decides to make a teapot he knows, he is typically not going too just make one. Upon the first one, her/she will get the clay ready, not liquid slip clay but formable thick clay like molding clay and roll it out, as you would sugar cookie dough getting ready to be cut (that made me crave sugar cookies). They then use a drafting like compass to make a circle for the bottom of the teapot and the lid etc… They then cut a single strip for the body and then roll pieces for the handle and spout. Once all of these raw pieces are cut, they are measured and recorded.

Here is where you could say some of the parts are mass-assembled, when they make a pot they do not make one base or lid at a time instead they use three or four sheets of clay and cut them at the same time ensuring that each one is cut with the recorded measurements each time. Imagine four sheets of clay all the same thickness sitting side by side and then cutting out a pre measured square or a circle through all three or four of them all at one sitting, this is where you get consistency. The more skillful the artists the more individual parts they can work on at one time to speed up the process.

The next thing is to make is a basic mold for the handle and or spout (this typically will be the only molds on a hand made teapot). This mold is a very generic mold with only the basic shape in mind. They use this mold more like a press because the clay is too thick to pour. Handmade teapots are made this way. They for sure are not poured into a mold. Slip Clay Molds were not used in Yixing teapots until around the Cultural Revolution (1967-1977) because Zi Sha clay is not easily made into slip clay due to the larger rock fragments within the clay and its natural consistency. This is when the mass produced Yixing teapots made their way to you local China Town tourist trap.

In China, the Chinese Central Arts & Crafts Association (CCACA for short this maybe not the official acronym) is a government ran organization they are the ones responsible for awarding and ranking artist in their field. There are two very big Yixing tea potters names in China, one of them is Xu Han Tang, and the other is Jiang Rong. Both Xu Han Tang and Jiang Rong are one of the few people classified as Master Artist in the CCACA.

According to the CCACA Xu Han Tang is in the top five living Yixing teapot artist in his field (argued the best) of making traditional Yixing teapots. Jiang Rong is the top five living Yixing teapot artist in her field that makes non-traditional nature style teapots. You also have to look at it like this who says Monet, Degas, Renoir, and Van Gogh are the most famous artist in the world would one accuse me of Puffery if I said that? Nope, I do not sell their works and I do not sell Xu Han Tang teapots either, they are too darn expensive. Of course, if you want one I cam arrange a meeting and you can fly here and get one yourself because if you are going to spend eight grand on one of this less expensive teapots you better fly here and make sure he is the one making it.

Thanks Marshall, for your kind comments I am happy to share anything I know about Tea & Teapots with all of you, just remember I do not claim to know everything and I will always take criticism in stride. If I thought, I knew it all I will would be incapable of learning anything.

One more thing I will be visiting some friends in Yixing maybe in February I will take some pictures of artist making teapots for all of you to enjoy. That also may make my descriptions above more clear.

mandjs

Thanks very much Michael for the additional information and your potentially picturing these artists at work.

You have well answered my (sceptical) questions.

Sincerely,

--Marshall

PS: In an earlier post in this thread, I used the word "puffery" and now I could not help but thing of this in relation to your first name. Do you know what "Michael" means in Hebrew?

"Who (is) like God?; Mikael, the name of an archangel and of nine Israelites:--Michael." I felt like I was on episode of Jeopardy there for a minute.

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Yes, I, for one, do; but, the Hebrew reference is not to Michael Ryan, it's to me. Sorry for the confusion.

Michael Plant

Hm......... I was refering to Michael Ryan, the fellow importing the Chinese tea pots.

--Marshall

okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D."

enough selling of your products and website

"Michael Ryan"

Dear Joanne,

First of all I don't feel he is selling, and even if he wants to get some exposure that's fine with me. He knows what he is talking about and provides the group with valuable information. I personally very happy to see him here and I'm looking forward to seeing more of his revealing posts.

Joanne,

Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain credibility that most of us consumers just don't have.

Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less than objective when everyone knows you have your own business.

Just MHO,

Mike Petro snipped-for-privacy@pu-erh.net

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Mike's point is well taken all 'round. BTW, Michael, do you know the English translation of the Hebrew that is our name? Or you Mike? Yuk, yuk.

Whatever the "Lipton thing" was, and to add a bit of science to our discussion, let me share the results of some empirical, albeit anecdotal, evidence I've gathered in my many years of tea drinking:

***LIPTON SUCKS!!!***

There, I've said it again.

Michael

PS: Michael I'm looking forward to my Phoenices, which ought to arrive in time for the great weekend tasting. I'll let you know how they went/ drank.

M

I haven't found Michael at all bothersome. I think he's been quite helpful as a matter of fact.

Cameron

I agree. Helpful & no noticible selling except the link to his shop.

--Tom

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------------------------------------ "H*mo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." Terrance

Michael snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com1/17/04

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Your paragraph above presents the only puzzlement for me. I always "pulled" handles using well aged clay, never used a "mold" as you describe. I would think that the artist-potters you describe would pull handles as well. Perhaps the small size of the handle makes it amenable more to molding. Anyway, that surprised me.

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This link to Jian Rong's teapots might help. I can see the extraordinary skill required to produce these, but they are not quite to my simplistic simple taste.

Please correct me if I have the wrong potter. (I couldn't find a link to Xu Han Tang, although I'll keep looking.)

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I'd enjoy seeing them.

Michael

Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google account with my new email address because snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com died with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email popup while Googling, Yahoo:)*&$&^%$#*&

Jim

Thank you Jim,

Hmmm...I never really thought of myself as a groupie.

I stand by my opinion that WS and Michael have shared more about puerh than I have found anywhere else on the Internet. What is wrong with that? I dont have any local sources to learn these things. If you have another source I would be grateful if you would share it.

BTW what ever happened to your webpage about ethnic languages and tea terms?

Mike Petro snipped-for-privacy@pu-erh.net

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Just a little response to passionate 1480 comments snipped and quoted below.

idea of where to buy tea on the Internet.""How come this particular businessman thinks you're so stupid?""He hasn't said anything new on the subject from yixing seasoning to

cooking piles.""It is nothing more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me

while having to listen to >him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng."<

It is ok if you do not buy anything from me I can accept that. I have plenty of very happy repeat customers. My intention was not to come here and sell my products it was to share information. In Hindsight posting that I sell teapots in this forum was for sure a mistake. I was only trying to be helpful to the group, but as the old sayings goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can not please all of the people all of the time."

I will no longer post anything that refers to my business I will continue to ignore the abundant links to other companies left by users wanting to help others out by referring them to a source. In addition, as soon as I figure out how to change my e-mail address I will change it to something less revealing so that the more sensitive people are not offended or threatened by it. I will continue to post pertinent information when I find the time, or answer any questions asked of me to my best of my ability. I will no longer respond to these types of negative messages it is not worth the time and it is like trying to remove a ink dot from a paper the harder you try to remove it the more messy it gets.

Thanks to all of you who backed me up, it is greatly appreciated. I am sorry if you think that I should have not responded to this however, I felt that I had to put in one last word regardless of the outcome.

me

That's the polite term. See my other postings on johns and pimps disguised as buyers and sellers. You aren't the first or last to say 'Hey everybody look what I bought and from you know who'. If you want approval join a ten step program.

You came to the right place. What has been said recently on the subject has been said before in the ng. The only twist was the use of the word 'cooking' but in reality is connotative of others terms for the process. If you want real puerh find a Chinese apothacary.

I hope you're not holding your breath but since you asked:

Last year I bought a cheap USB digital camera for $35. It worked great for about a month but was sensitive to light and bright colors. Prior to the camera I used another USB device but since it was the first I damaged one of the two ports when I tried to insert it backwards. Yep you can do that with USB. After getting the camera to work on the one good port I decided to swap out the two external ports for two good ones. I opened up the skins and pulled the eight bin connector on the MB with the two attached ports. I took it the computer shop and nobody had seen such a combined connector. I ended up with two 4 pin connectors each with its own port. No matter how many permutations of motherboard connections I couldn't get any USB port to work. I reinserted the eight pin connector and couldn't get it to work again. I should know to ALWAYS mark wiring connections. I do that for cars even if I pull the battery cables. I'm about ready to toss my present MB and invest in USB 2.0. Now I got high speed internet access and when I listen to Internet radio stations all I get is a staccato because of a bad audio chip plus the buss locks up and I continually have to reboot. Don't even get me started why my telecom provider pairs up with MSN except for a modest discount and doesn't provide NNTP or POP3. Also no personal webpage space. I spew out the ethnic terms when the posts ask for it if it matches my experiences in the stores.

Jim

Found the Link.

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Thanks Michael.

Although advertising is considered to be bad manners on USENET, there are clever ways of indicating that you are in a business related to a newsnet group.

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A .signature is a mini-file that is automatically appended (stuck at the end of) to any Usenet messages that you post -- regardless of what the content is. Whether or not you can create and use a .signature depends on what sort of system you're using to access Usenet news. Many UNIX systems simply require you to create a file called ".signature" in your root directory within your shell account and put whatever you want your .signature to say within that file. Other systems, like America Online, allow you to do something similar, but the implementation varies from system to system. If you can't figure out if your system supports a .signature, ask the people in charge for help.

Typically, it is considered bad manners to put more than four lines of information in your .signature, regardless of what those four lines might say or contain. Gigantic ASCII pictures of dragons, for example, are annoying when you have to see them every time a certain person posts.

Similarly, it's considered bad manners to put an advertisement in your .signature and then post a lot of empty or nearly-empty articles simply to get your .signature into various newsgroups.

On the other hand, if you post meaningful, responsible messages in groups you're actually interested in, and those messages happen to have the address of your Web page tacked on at the end, few people will complain.

Just keep .signature advertisements extremely short and sweet. Let your Web page contain the sales pitch -- the .signature should usually be little more than a listing of your URL and perhaps a mention of what sort of business you're in.

Restraint and responsibility are everything -- if you've got those, people will sit up and listen to you.

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--Marshall

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