Puerh Tasting and Vendor Praise

Feb 03, 2004 24 Replies

With very few exceptions (three, actually), all of my Puerh experience has been black or cooked or whatever you want to call it. That's one reason that it was great to continue my education in green, uncooked Puerhs with Michael Ryan at mandjs.com.



He was friendly, returned emails quickly and his suggestions were actually helpful without trying to upsell me as some of the local shops do. His selection was varied and he worked with me on the shipping. In fact, since my order put me between shipping weight classes, he just threw samples in the box until I got the most bang for my shipping buck.



Opening a big, intercontinental, box of varying shaped Puerh straight from China is a cool experience all by itself. Including samples, I'm looking at 11 Puerhs, 8 of them green. I've started sampling them in Yixing pots, using ½ as many grams as ounces of water (boiled at sea level for those interested). I have been brewing them for 30 sec., 1 minute, and 2 minutes with additional steepings optional. While this method is helping me to get through them with enough uniformity and quickly enough to compare them, some of them really benefit from real gung fu preparation (more leaf & shorter steeps).



I'll try to post some reviews as soon as I can get my palate and vocabulary to a level that might make them useful.



I have no connection to mandjs.com except as described herein and reading Michael on the internet.



--Tom



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Yes, I love getting those packages.

I> have been brewing them for 30 sec., 1 minute, and 2 minutes with additional

I'm happy just hearing about it. Hope you are enjoy them. I gungfu pu-erh, but some Chinese acquaintances don't. When you finish your samples, you'll be well enough "educated" to pretty much know what you like.

Palates never stop changing, IMHO. As for vocabulary, please *don't* give that too much thought; analogy and ideosyncratic description are best, much better than the "official" word list, again IMHO.

I have samples of Michael's six Don Cong teas, drinking Wu Dong Bai Yie at the moment, which is a an experience of note. Anyway, I'm happy.

Michael

I can only second this. His goods are of high quality, and he gives friendly and good advice. I got a package from him a few days ago with some absolutely lovely yixing teapots, He (or his wife ;-) ) had put in a very nice selection of pu'erh samples which I have saved for a tasting session this weekend, something I'm really looking forward to.

Neither do I.

Lars

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Lars,

Wow. Which of the teapots did you get, may I ask? I'm very interested to know how you like them. I'm looking at a couple of dem der (that is, "those") teapots for myself.

Michael

If you go to

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and have a look at products>>teapots>>yixing teapots>>nature, I bought the first two, called 'artisans green zi sha' and 'top grade mixed zhu ni'. While I'm certainly no expert on yixing teapots my impression of these pots are:

  1. They are beautiful!
  2. The clay and the handywork seems very good
  3. They pour perfectly
  4. The price is at the same level or maybe a bit higher than other yixing teapots I've seen or bought earlier that seem to be of lesser quality.

The shipping cost from China isn't much higher than the shipping cost from the US for me, but that may of course be a consideration for some on this list.

Lykke til med tekannene! (Good luck with the teapots!)

Lars

They look beautiful. Congrats.

--Tom

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Michael,

I've recently got "Laughing Arrow" by Wang Chin Ming from M&J's and it's absolutely striking work of art. The workmanship and clay are superb and teapot is full of spirit. Well worth the money. I've been a patron of Michael Ryan's business for a while now and ALL teapots and Puerh I've got from him have been great. In case you wonder, my favorite for now is Xia Guan Tuo Cha Supreme Grade Uncooked 2003 (just order another 10 kg). If you have any questions please feel free to contact me here (in forum) or off line (yuri_pragin#comcast.net).

Thanks!

Michael,

I've recently got "Laughing Arrow" by Wang Chin Ming from M&J's and it's absolutely striking work of art. The workmanship and clay are superb and teapot is full of spirit. Well worth the money. I've been a patron of Michael Ryan's business for a while now and ALL teapots and Puerh I've got from him have been great. In case you wonder, my favorite for now is Xia Guan Tuo Cha Supreme Grade Uncooked 2003 (just order another 10 kg). If you have any questions please feel free to contact me here (in forum or off line yuri_pragin#comcast.net).

Thanks!

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Mange tak sku' du have.

The ones you got are really nice: clean, bright, and good quality, it seems. Hope you enjoy them. Are you going to dedicate them to any particular type of tea or will they be generalists? (I'm struggling with this issue now.)

Michael

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So Yuri,

Do you use the 10 kg for one cup, or do you distribute this one over time and tea? Hee hee. I've seldom thought much of Tuo Chas, although they are wonderfully convenient, so I'd be askanse (sp?) about this one. Maybe they are bigger than tuo chas, which are usually truly cup sized?)

I'm on my way to the M&J site to have a look at the WCM LA you mentioned. I'll talk more with you about this off-group.

Thanks. Michael

Thanks.

Michael

You've drunk 10 kg of tea ? Or you work as a retailer for ******* ? What did they say at the custom ?

Kuri

All I can say about personal testimonials in this ng is caveat emptor. You don't have to be smart to drive a Mercedes just rich. So enjoy what everybody else is buying and drinking. When I serve tea you'll never know how much it cost. If you prefer Puerh over Vintage Oolong you won't be back.

Jim

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While I appreciate your comment, I don't necessarily understand your last line. What's this about Puerh and Vintage Oolong? Was that a reference to cost of one or the other?

Michael

Hi Kuri, I'm not a retailer. The tea is mine! All mine! :) Puerh has a wonderful quality of not spoiling but improving with age. So I can store it and drink it at my leisure for a long time. Custom can pass anything less than 30kg with no problem.

I've been asked for my opinion, so I gave it. You are right, you don't have to be smart to drive a Mercedes, but hey, I enjoy it none the less. The point is not in brand, but in quality. Unfortunately quality goods are expensive, so I prefer have less but better quality. I'm enjoying what I can afford, do you have a problem with that?

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Generally, I want what *for me* is the best, and I'm willing to drink less and pay more for whatever quantity I can afford, if that is what it takes. Yuri, I think you hit the nail on the head. Besides, I am personally quite comfortable with my wealth.

Michael

If you guys don't shutup I'm going to start talking about my Yugo. Here's a riddle for the Mercedes crowd. I just came back from visiting a local tea merchant and he pointed out a reputable tea book no longer in print where the English author said to brew Yinzhen 15 minutes while others would assume the conventional wisdom is multiple short infusions gongfu method. I think I know why there is some merit to that statement by the English author. What is your opinion?

Jim

I don't have a Mercedes, but I do have an opinion: there's more than one way to do it.

/Lew

Yinzhen or Silver Needle is white tea and should never be used for Gongfu, so infusion for 15 minutes using warm water sounds quite all right.

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First, I'm not sure whether the comment regarding Yin Zhen gungfu short infusions is yours or the authors, but it doesn't matter much. Second, you didn't mention temperature at all. Fifteen minutes in water close to tepid would be fine. I've done it. It works well. One minute in water close to boiling temperature would wreck it, **to my taste**. Please reveal the book and author. If it's expensive enough we of the Mercedes crowd will bounce out and buy it.

Speaking of which, I disapprove of Mercedes. They are big and awkward and they imply that you need others with you. My black Porsche is my favorite car, much better than the BMW. I really don't want room for many people in a vehicle. It's sort of why I only wear Polo dress shirts. No pockets. If you have pockets in a shirt, you'd probably put a pen in it. That's what secretaries are for. Know what I mean?

Drinking a rare Private Reserve Bai Hao at the moment from a private distributor/collector in Hong Kong. I was only able to get two ounces of it, but at 1450 British pounds a kilo, that was all I could afford. Is it worth it. Well, Jim, you never know, but then you'll never know.

BTW, I'd love to have you drop by for tea, but only if you promise to drive the Yugo. My people need a good laugh.

Michael

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