Seriously sampled?

Hi all!

Not much going on in this NG for the time beeing, so I thought I would share some more general thoughts on tasting and scoring. I know: I've mentioned some of this in earlier postings, but I feel it's nice to sum up. (This is going to be a long one, but reading it is voluntary!)

I've been interested in whisky for at least ten years, but it's really just the last two or three that this interest has sort of become "serious". For the first seven years or so, I just differed between three or four malts, but these last years I've been through nearly forty. I've started taking notes, I've participated here in this NG from time to time, and I've been reading a lot on different whiskyrelated sites on the internet - particularly the Malt Madness/Malt Maniacs site.

Taking notes can be a bit difficult. A lot of things can affect what I'm able to detect in the nose and on the palate at a particular time. There are of course precations to take (avoid hotly spiced food etc. etc.), but even so, I tend to discover different aspects of the whisky from tasting to tasting. This, of course, also affects the score I give. Please don't get me wrong, I don't look at this as an unwanted problem, on the contrary, all of this actually increases my fascination for whisky! But given these facts, I usually don't concider my notes and score to be final before the bottle is finished - and that can sometimes take months.

As it happens, I now fill up a 25cl sample bottle for storage from every almost new bottle I crack open. My main intention with doing this was to begin with to be able to compare different batches of the same whisky head to head later on. But it has also given me the opportunity to "revisit" an old bottle if I want to. And when I have done so, I have often come to change or add to my old notes, probably mainly because I've become somewhat more experienced since last time.

Of course, as one becomes a more experienced taster, one will be able to "analyse" a whisky quicker and with more certainty. But I believe that even for the most experienced ones, a certain whisky will still taste a bit different the next time, on a different occasion, perhaps on a different location. I like that, it adds to the fascination.

Then there is the phenomenon of oxidation, which I find often hugely affects the whisky over time. This varies a lot from one whisky to another, an exactly why that is, is a big, interesting topic by it self. But generally, I find that once a bottle has been opened and through the weeks gets slowly emptier, things - good things to begin with! - start to happen: The whisky tends to open up, show more complexity, generally simply become better. This can go on for weeks, sometimes months. Then the prosess slows down, and sooner or later it will go the other way, the whisky will eventually (maybe after a year or so) become duller and flatter. My experience, allthough limited and subjective, tells me that in points on a 0-100 scoring scale, a whisky often gains around three points, sometimes even up to six points, from freshly opened to, say, a month or so later. So I take my time before I concider a whisky "seriously sampled" - to loan an expression from J. van den Heuvel's (Malt Madness) Liquid Log.

What I am slightly worried about, is the notes and scorings of the "professionals", and how we might tend to read them. I'm thinking about writers like M. Jackson and J. Murray, but also the writers on the internet, like the before mentioned Malt Madness/Malt Maniacs. I really enjoy the MM/MM site buy the way, and find that it offers a vast collection of information and insight; and it's mostly a good read too. But when a person samples a hundred ore more expressions through a year, however experienced that person may be, he can't possably take into account all these variations. There simply isn't enough time, and there is a liver to be payed attention to too.. So: Was it tasted at it's peak, or from a freshly opened bottle? At home, or during a visit to the distillery, or maybe at the local bar?

Of course, all of this simply tells us that notes and scores shouldn't be taken all that serious. And after all, whoever is doing the tasting, the outcome will allways be a subjective and personal view. But I feel it's something to bear in mind. Numbers have a particular tendency to present themselves as objective to us. (Experts too, maybe).

Gunnar

Oh, buy the way: Got a bottle of Laphroaig Quarter Cask last week! Fabulous stuff in my opinion, It's going to score about 90 points in my book!

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Gunnar Thormodsaeter
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...lots of interesting and complicated stuff..., including the interesting idea of preserving 25cl of every newly-opened bottle. But where do you get small bottles in quantity?

On that much we agree. But as to the rest,for some, like my wife and me, all the numbers would only detract from the enjoyment of whisky.

The only time we refer to numbers at all is when we have a tasting with friends. Then we use numbers to record different characteristics just as an aid to the participants' memories. But we find our final rankings of the whiskies tasted must include placing them in a context of time of day, food just consumed, mood, etc.

We have over 100 single malts in the house, plus at least 50 bottles of calvados, armagnac, cognac, salignac, anejo rum, bourbon, vatted whisky, etc. After a dinner, we simply walk over and pick out what strikes us as suitable, considering the general character of the whisky (i.e., sherried or not, heavily peated or not, etc.) and we rarely disagree.

For us, scoring is time that would be better spent savoring. Even Loch Dhu. But to each his own. 8;)

-- Larry

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pltrgyst

Yeah, right! Where did they all go?? Used to be great stuff from Bushido, Johanna, Bart, Brett, etc, etc.

Now they are all gone. Is there another group, or a web site, where they have re-gathered??

chuck

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chuck

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Personally I buy most of them at the local pharmacy: Small, brown coloured

250 ml bottles with plastic screw tops, obviously ment for medicine. They cost approximately the norwegian equivalent to two US dollars a piece. But then I haven't hundreds! Probably around thirty or so in use. Another possability, if you travel from time to time, is to collect those 175 ml winebottles you get on airoplanes. I'm sure there's other sources (- does anyone else know of any?)

Yes, I can understand that point of view. I certainly feel that the score should just be a small and less important part of the notes, anyway. It's a bit like grades in school, they can never give you a the full picture of a persons capability. Still, personally I do like to score my whiskies, the activity makes me pay attention, to compare to find differences and similarities, and to evaluate what I find. For me this kind of adds to the enjoyment. But one can easily be misled, even by ones own numbers!

These things will allways play a part, that's one of the reasons why I like to evaluate a specific whisky through several different tasting sessions.

Lucky you!

I don't spend time noting and scoring everytime I pour myself a malt, though. Most times I just enjoy, too! But as you say: To each his own! Even if for some that is Loch Dhu! :^)

Gunnar

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Gunnar Thormodsaeter

I wish I knew!

Seems we've lost D. W. Hoyt too lately, who used to contribute with enlightened and often humorous postings.

I really miss Bart, and he dissappeared so abruptly. I just hope he's fine and have a wee dram at hand. I believe he still is the person that has posted most in this group, and certainly one of the best.

I guess some just get tired of participating after a few years though. Inevitably the same topics show up again and again in a group like this. And I guess those with the most knowledge can get tired of allways informing and enlighten those of us who know less - and gain little themselves.

Gunnar

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Gunnar Thormodsaeter

Perhaps they're off filming a new "Maverick" sequel...

-- Larry

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pltrgyst

I got a bottle of this today from my local Tesco. Based on a comparson between the standard 10yr and this, I'd say the QC has less smoke and more fire. As you say, fabulous stuff.

Jim

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Jim

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Yes, I find the Quarter Cask fuller, richer, more powerfull. And less sweet, which in my opinion is good. I'd say the 10 yo has become somewhat flatter (there has been some controversy on this), and sweeter than it used to be and I don't think that this sweetness really fits in. The Cask Strength, on the other hand, has less of that and much more depth and complexity. I'm looking forward to tasting the QC and the CS head to head soon!

Gunnar

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Gunnar Thormodsaeter

The thing is, most of this tasting notes stuff is bull. The whole single malt industry is driven by bulls**t. Not that this is a terrible thing. The label on the bottle means as much as the taste in many instances. So I think all whisky should be tasted blind.

It's not my intent to insult any of these tasters, as I'm caught up in it myself too.

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brockagh

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