TN: SOBER does a couple '59 Bdx, 62 Burgs, etc

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I've had a lot of oxidation problems with Chapoutier "Le Meal" of various vintages from 1999 to present.

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rvwrlee

Wow! You lucky dog, you!

What is this producer? An offshoot of the Jaboulet negoce operation, or something different?

Gaaah! Two birthyear wines for me.

That's better than I'll be able to say :(

And here you have one of my "life wines." Granted, I had it in its youth (ca. '83), but it still ranks as one of the high points of my wine experience. Glad to hear that it's still doing well.

I would presume that most of those wines came from Andy's cellar, as I can't imagine that you could get many of those on the open market for anything like a reasonable price. What a great tasting, Dale!

Enviously yours, Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

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That is really outstanding. Fantastic, glad you didn't have to spit. Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed vicariously...

-E

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Emery Davis

">> Last night Andy hosted SOBER. Various events with this group have been

A fantastic line up, great wines and no driving.

It goes to show that we were fortunate to form our wine club in 1979, we still have many goodies to come.

John T

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John T

Hi Dale,

Sigh....

I tasted these two against each other back in the 80s at a "rarest and finest" auction at Sotheby's. (actually they also had all the 1st and

2nd growths 1961 as well). I agree 100% with your comparison of the two. For me, the Mouton-Rothschild '59 is the best red I've ever tasted, and the older I get, the less likely it is that I'll ever taste its like again.

However - (I did say it was a rarEST tasting) I don't think this was the high point of the pre-auction tasting. That has to go to two 18th Century vintages of Constantia.

What's more, entry to the tasting was by catalogue, and that cost me a fiver.

After I'd finished my tasting of all the quite extra-ordinary wines there, I went back to the Mouton, poured myself a glass, found a chair and sat down and drank it. It's the first (and last) time I've ever been so self indulgent.

Sigh, as I said.

-- All the best Fatty from Forges

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IanH

Yup, that's the tasting, I think - I've got a "finest and rarest" catalogue and thought that was the it - to the extent that I looked in it tonight for some friends, but it's from 2000 whileI'm alsmost 100% certain that the tasting I went to was in the early '80s.

IIRCthe wine came from Glamys castle - certainly a legendary cellar cellar in a famous castle of a pretty prestigious nobleman anyway. To be honest I'm embarrassed and cross, because I was sure I'd kept that catalogue, though I can't lay my hands on it.

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That certainly rings a bell for me, though without the catalogue I can't be sure.

Not 100%, to be honest. The wines I tasted were very heavily sedimented and although they were definitely still alive, they were both VERY old gentlemen. I don't remember the penetrating scent, but I do remember the very marked muscat flavour. I went to a tutored tasting of Australian wines run by Jancis Robinson shortly afterwards, and on tasting one of the wine - Browns Muscat, I think, I turned to my companions excitedly and said "you know, this REALLY reminds me of the Constantia." Well, that's got to be the ULTIMATE pseud remark, and so when she asked for comments, they sat on my hands to prevent me making one. And then she said "The story goes that the grapes for this wine were brought over from the legendary Constantia vineyards" etc Was I gutted!!

So there are some aspects of those notes that ring a bell for me, certainly.

It's lateand we have had a guests' dinner, so I'm a little tired now, but I'll turn the house upside down looking for that catalogue tomorrow. I'll be furious if I can't find it, or if I kept the wrong one by mistake.

-- All the best Fatty from Forges

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IanH

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