identify this raspberry?

Looks like a red raspberry to me, but I live in Wisconsin. I have not tried my red raspberry wine yet; I'm waiting until it ages in the bottle for a year. I suspect mine will be a bit tart too, but we'll see.... Darlene

Joe, does this explanation bear any relationship to what you have TAYBERRIES are arguably the finest hybrids of all. Bred in Scotland, they are a cross between the American blackberry Aurora and a tetraploid raspberry. They grow on long, spiny canes. The bright red, elongated berries have a slightly tart, aromatic flavour and although they can be eaten raw, tayberries are better cooked. TUMMELBERRIES are similar to TAYBERRIES but fruit later in the season. Other similar crossbreeds include SUNBERRIES, and WINEBERRIES.

I used to have tayberries in my yard, and although the stems in the photos look sufficiently prickly, the fruit doesn't look right. I don't think that's what they are. Not red raspberries, either: too prickly for that, plus the fruit doesn't look quite ripe. Joe, are those ripe berries? They look like unripe blackberries.

Karen

Stephen..... wrote:

Joe, You have Wineberries (Rubus phoenicolasius). They were introduced from Japan in the 1890's, and are an agressive interloper to some people's way of thinking. I've got 'em here in northern NJ as well.

In spite of their name, which comes from their color, not purpose, they don't easily make good wine. My experience has been the same as yours, and I planted domestic blackberries instead.

HTH Mike MTM

'Agressive' is a pretty good description. The woods and roadsides around here are full of them.

The wine I made was okay, but my least favorite of all the wines I made last year. I have so many berries, I'll try again anyway. They did make a good jam, so I'll make more of that too.

I'm also considering a blackberry patch next year. How long from planting until they produced enough to make some wine from?

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These make wonderful wine but picking them is critical to success. They must be fully ripe. As they ripen they continue to get darker red. When fully ripe they have very little tartness left in them. Taste testing while you pick will help you learn just how dark the really ripe ones become which helps with future harvesting. The biggest problem is leaving them long enough to ripen and not have the birds beat you too them. If they are in an out of the way place you can use bird netting like that used on cherry trees. HTH

Joe, Let's try this again... the last reply seems to have never reached the group.

You have "Wineberries", Rubus phoenicolasius, an introduced species. In spite of the name, they really don't make such a good wine. My results here in northern NJ were the same as yours.

HTH Mike MTM