Saison

What is it? Saw a Saison Dupont in my local package store. Never heard of it. Bottle says it's a farmhouse ale, is this a regular type ale or something different?

bluestringer

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"Farmhouse ale" is a contemporary Anglo Saxon term for a few kinds of ale, mainly from the Hainaut - Picardie area (Belgium and N. France). Saison is the traditional top-fermenting ale from the west of the Hainaut province, mainly. Traditionally non-sweet, not very strong, quite attenuated and well-hopped, sometimes spiced. Saison Dupont is the best example remaining anywhere. Brewed at Dupont, Tourpes near Leuze (Belgium). It's available year-round.

Joris

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Joris Pattyn

Here's link that I think explains it pretty well.

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Mike E.

Best example? I dunno (although, you, being Belgian and all, would have a much better idea than I would). Don't get me wrong: Saison DuPont is one of my favorite beers on the planet, and of all the outstanding beers I had on my visit to Belgium a month ago, the fresh bottle of DuPont was arguably my favorite (only a Westvleteren would give it a run for its money), I don't think that Pipaix or Silly are exactly dogs of the bunch.

Of course, I'm partly making an argument to make an argument. Saison DuPont is an absolutely outstanding, amazing beer. And when I did get the chance to get a fresh bottle (well, relatively; I was in Ghent), I was struck by how malty it was. No mistake, it still finishes dry and hoppy, but there was a fluffy maltiness that doesn't hold nearly as strongly in the bottles that make it to the States (although the Avec les bons Vieux holds onto that character better). It is without dobut a standout in a country of spectacular beers.

-Steve

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Steve Jackson

Check Joris' post for a little bit of detail. It is a "regular" style, but of fairly limited production. (By the way, asking if it's a regular type ale is a bit like asking if something is a regular meat: the term ale is at least as widely variant as "meat" and the not-very-similar constituents such as beef, pork, lamb, venison, etc.).

If you're expecting an English- or American-style ale, you'll be disappointed. Saison has a bit of the lambic-style funkiness, but vastly subdued in comparison, but reflecting its "farmhouse" character. It's a good warm-weather beer, tending a bit toward the dry side and quite thirst-quenching. Some brewers spice them, some do not.

All that said, Saison DuPont is one of my favorite beers on the planet. Remarkably complex in a subtle presentation. Very nice bottles and glassware, too.

-Steve

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Steve Jackson

Thanks, sounds like something I would like to try. Is it like the Ommegang Hennipin Ale? I liked that one. Anyway next trip to the store and I'm going to pick one up and try it.

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bluestringer

It's been at least five years since I've had a Hennepin, so I'm not sure. But my faint recollection is that, yeah, they're roughly in the same area code.

But hell, taking a chance on a single bottle never hurt anyone. It's certainly worth a gamble.

-Steve

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Steve Jackson

Hell, going back and re-reading what I wrote, I'm not so sure even I know what I was driving at. Like I said, I think I was making an argument to make an argument. Because, yeah, I do think Dupont (sorry for the capital P, I used to have the chemical people as a client, and there's probably some residual bit of high school French and the typical meaning/usage of "de/du/des" sneaking in there) outshines any of the other examples of saison I've had.

At the risk of dredging up an old issue, is it possible you're equating maltiness and sweetness? Because that wasn't my intent. The Saison Dupont I had in Ghent was definitely dry in its finish, just as I would expect. But the up-front character had a stronger malt character - not sweet, but just the flavor of malt - than I've ever noticed in bottles that come to the States. It was still every bit the very quaffable, light-but-flavorful beer I expect it to be.

I find it interesting that you mention spices. Does Dupont use any? I don't really pick them up in there, beyond whatever the yeast is contributing. Whereas Pipaix and Silly have a much more pronounced spice character (and, if I remember correctly, Silly makes liberal use of spices, yes?).

Saison has always been one of my favorite styles and one of the ones I'm most intrigued by. It's a pity that it's not as prevalent as it once was, but it is good that some excellent examples still exist.

-Steve

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Steve Jackson

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