To be sure I understand the difference. But given the absurdity of the OP's subject, I thought some humor might make the post a little more interesting. There is some fine german beer to be found in that city...all one has to do is to visit the city and try it.
One could make an equally incorrect statement about Austrian beer. There really isn't all that much that makes it to the U.S. But go there and it's beer heaven folks.
Point well taken ... I agree wholeheartedly. Not just in the city either; the S-Bahns get you to plenty of great places too.
Yes and no. I've had some excellent beer in Austria; I've also had infected junk from a brewpub. The owner was a nice guy and enthusiastic, the pub itself was nice, but his brewing technique obviously needed work. But I tasted some fresh-from-the- conditioning-tank beer at Ottakringer too, and damn if Braumeister Andreas Rosa isn't concocting some excellent beer out there. They're concocting some good stuff in Austria, and there's a refreshing open-mindedness towards beer that is still lacking in much of Germany.
feel compelled to point out that Usenet is by definition a seven bit ascii medium and you have broken the rules with verboten character codes. Nyaah nyaah.
Well, I'll leave aside the point that you're posting with software that's circumventing correct attribution of your post. :-)
But I will point out that I refuse to accede to the xenophobic, English-favoring rubric of Usenet and spell foreign words the way they're inteded to be spelled. (Also deserving of one of those smiley faces, which I detest but feel compelled to insert in this post.)
-Steve
Augustiner Helles was back to its previous standard yesterday (Sunday) in the Augustiner Am Dom (beer from the barrel) so I am hopeful the brew went through a bad phase due to the extra demand placed on it by the Oktoberfest and it will now rapidly return to normal.
Yes, get outside the city a bit...lots of good tasting beer to be found.
Brewpubs are in my experience a mixed bag at best, no matter the country. They can produce some fine tasting beer that doesn't get any fresher and tie it with some decent pub food. Old Dominion being my favorite good example. And there are the many others that would be better off buying half a dozen house brews from a good brewer and just focusing on the food.
They are fun places to visit and the tanks certainly look impressive.
As I live in Munich, I'd be interested in your recommendations of S-bahn trips to good beer outlets or even Bayern trips using the Bayern ticket, especially if the beer were from the barrel. The only places I know of for good beer are Tegernsee, Salzburg and Bamberg.
Surely you have been to Andechs and in Aying?
Liebharts Bräuhaus in Poing is worth a visit
There are some more good places in and around Munich listed here:
cheers Jonas
I've been meaning to go to Andechs after I had a my first good half liter of their Helles in Munich last Sunday. It could well be an excellent beer if served and kept well. As for Aying, I think their beer is not worth drinking - whether that be from a barrel or not.
I'll check some of them out. I've tried out the Unionsbräu Haidhausen and was very disappointed but hopefully I will get lucky with some of them on that list.
Many thanks.
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Indeed, seems to be down right now. You can find the address etc here:
Another place on the same line is Fliegerbräu in Feldkirchen
cheers Jonas
Andechs is absolutely worth the trip - getting a fresh Bergbock Dunkel on the holy mountain in nice weather is just a sublime experience.
Really? I quite like them myself. "Ayingers Speis und Trank", downtown opposite to the Hofbräuhaus, often serves unfiltered Ayinger Jahrhundertbier from barrel in the weekends.
Their quality tends to vary a bit unfortunately, but most of the time its quite nice - Unionsbraus doppelbock in Starkbierzeit is a dangerously drinkable fellow.
cheers Jonas
Try Scheider, Kelheim; Kneitinger, Regensberg; Kloster, Andechs
Andechs, without question. End of the line on the S5 to Herrsching, and then a quick taxi or a longer walk (I do better walking back to the train station than to Andechs, seeing as how the Kloister is at the top of a hill).
Ayinger in Aying. S7.
Forschungsbrauerei out in Perlach. Summer only. (For some reason, I'm thinking the Unterhaching S-Bahn station was actually closer, but I don't recall for sure. One can always ring the brewery and ask for directions, which are needed anyway for the approx. 500 m walk from the station.)
Believe it or not, S1 or S8 to the Flughafen, where the Airbräu brewpub serves some very nice unfiltered beers (and usually at like 2 euro for a half-liter).
Taking Die Bahn, start heading up to Franconia. I'm experienced primarily with Bamberg, which is an outstanding city in many regards, but there's a lot more to be had out in the countryside. Check out
Those should be enough to keep you occupied for a bit.
-Steve
Jeez... Get yourself to Aying. Closer than Salzburg and Bamberg to Munich (not sure about Tegernsee, but probably closer than that too), and DAMN tasty.
Reminds me of a question... If one were to go during Starkbierzeit, would one just find good/stark bier everywhere, or are there actually festivals and/or sites to visit? I've never been, but the lure of a bunch of fine doppelbocks is quite a draw, to say the least.
Both. When I lived there during the 2001 festival, there were tents set up near Marienshilfplatz (this was during the period where the Salvatorkeller was under reconstruction after having burned down; I'm not sure if the location of things has shifted since it reopened).
But for the most part, you can find the beer around town, especially at the breweries' beer halls. And some of the local pubs have it on, too. I lived about 20 meters down the street from an Augustiner-affiliated pub (had great food too; I practically lived there) that had Maximator on. There were many nights where walking that 75 feet down the street was a challenge.
Maximator, btw, is one of the most outstanding beers I've ever had. It's similar to Andechs' Bergerbock Dunkel in that it's rather dry and doesn't have any cloying sweetness (in fact, both are fine examples of how a beer can be malty but not sweet), making it dangerously drinkable.
Forschungsbrauerei, which is ordinarily open only during warm weather, also reopens for Starkbierzeit. And, of course, Schneider rolls out the Aventinus.
It doesn't suck.
-Steve
| And to Hell with English words being spelled as intended, eh? ;-)
(Lived there? Coincidence, or by plan? :-)
Hmm, don't know that one. You don't mean Marienplatz in die Altstadt do you?
Cool. So it's not a festival so much as just a time of the year when the yummiest beers come out. :-)
I don't suppose you recall the name or location of that pub, just in case I get back to Munich any time soon?
I have to admit, I don't think I've had the Andechs, and the Maximator only in bottles. I don't mind sweet doppelbocks, but it's not going to stop me from trying those if I get the chance.
Don't think I know Forschungsbrauerei... Wo ist das?
I DID find a nice Schneider pub, somewhere in the area of the Hofbrauhaus IIRC. They made a pretty good kaesespaetzle and of course the beer is spectacular; I also got to try out bierschnapps there for the first time.
Is the weather sucky at that time of year though, or is it tolerable?
Pleasant coincidence.
Nope. Of course, it would help if I'd spell it right. It's Mariahilfsplatz. East of the Isar, over in Haidhausen and kinda near the Deutschesmuseum. Rosenheimerplatz S-Bahn is the cloest train station.
Well, literally, Starkbierzeit translates to strong beer time. While there's some festival elements, it's more just a season beer offering, similar to when the Maibocks start showing up. Since it's during Lent, it's a little more festive traditionally.
It's my old local, one of my favorite places in the city. Of course I recall the name: Scheidegger. It's on Isabellastraße in Schwabing. Hohenzollernplatz is the nearest U-Bahn.
I tend not to like sweet beverages overall. And cloying, I definitely don't like.
Regardless, these two beers are amongst the very best I've ever had in my life.
Perlach, southeast of the city.
Just down the street from the Altesrathaus, just north of the Viktualienmarkt? That's Schneider's beer hall in the city. Also known as the Weisses Brauhaus.
Highly variable. Think somewhat similar to Chicago in mid-March, without quite the extremes at either end.
-Steve
stv.jackson mangled his quoting while accusing me of the same and misplet a word while speaking of spelling. These are subtle signs of one who knows and respects the great traditions of usenet. You should bow down in awe.
HTH. HAND.
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