Goodbye 1699, hello 1984

I should add that, despite all that, the UK retains imperial measures for freeflow dispense of beer and cider. For now.

In article , Joyce Whitchurch writes

I thought that a lot of pubs had adopted metric measures for beer; I ask for a pint (20 fl oz) and they offer me half a litre (17.6 fl oz). In fact this is another of the things that George Orwell got wrong, when we change to metric (SI) measures for beer it will have to be half and quarter litre glasses. Actually it does not matter too much to me if imperial or metric measures are used provided it is: Real ale. * A full measure. A reasonable price.

• Includes cider, mild, perry, porter, stout.

AIUI the CE standard stipulates an *average* rather than a minimum quantity. So some "pint" glasses could actually hold less than a pint. Another excuse for pubs to give short measure?

AIUI, the UK system also stipulated an average, and only a sample of glasses actually had to be tested before a whole batch could be stamped.

All in all a good reason to ensure full measure at the point of dispense, because as you say the glass itself might not necessarily be a full pint. Some glasses could be a bit over, of course, but I expect they would be the first ones to get accidentally dropped behind the bar.

Bloody Angles and Saxons with their new-fangled drinking vessels; bring back the beaker, people!

Anyway, I thought we were an autonomous collective!

Is there an EU standard for a yard of ale? :-)

Yes, but we don't use it as a rule. :-)

What have the Saxons ever done for us, eh?

Well, Edgar the Peaceful (c. 943-975) decreed that all measures must agree with standards kept in London and Winchester. And not Brussels.

I drink my ale from a drinking horn in true pagan style. I care nothing for the usurpers who have occupied the throne all these years. King Harold was the last true king of England.

In message , Prometheus writes

If you go to pubs That serve metric measures for draught beer , then they are braking the law, I have reported a German beer house London for this and a similar place in Glasgow has recently been taken to court successful

In article , martyn dawe writes

I think you missed the point.

That's the trouble with ironic comments about short measure, people miss the point just like they miss the beer.

In message , Steven Pampling writes

Ayli: How do yo like the Chainmekker's now they'm dun it up, ar kid?

Aynuk: Its orright, but I miss the spittoons.

Ayli: Ar, an' yo did when they was theer...

For anyone who's completely lost now, this link may or may not help:

Meanwhile, I'll get my coat.

Dave

Oi qouit loiks the boire, but a disnnae unnerstan a woid you'm saynin'

(oops my accent slipped) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bit of a short conversation now - Ayli is pushing up the daisies. :-(

Joyce Whitchurch29/11/06 11:03

Trouble with the EU... give 'em an inch and they take a kilometre.

CR

Mmmm. I never voted to join the EU, or had the chance to. Did anyone else in the UK?

I voted with my feet and every time I see reports like this and see what's happening over there on the BBC news site I see fewer reasons for ever going back!

Wayne

The majority who voted in the EEC Referendum did!