Miller 1855

Yeah, right.

Yes. Why do you ask.

I feel really privileged to know that an Anheuser-Busch insider is posting true and factual details about their brewing processes here. Do tell more.

Two weeks? I've had beers that take 90 days or longer. So?

You've done a marketing demographic study on this, then? Wow. You really *are* an industry insider. So impressive.

Um, that's because some people *do* enjoy Coors Light, sport. Simply because many of us don't doesn't mean it's not possible to enjoy the stuff.

Another demographic study! I'm flabbergasted! I can just see the headlines now: "Colorado college co-ed chokes to death on Samuel Adams Lager - Film at 11!"

Dang. Really? Geez. I'd better go back and tell somebody how fulla crap he was then. He hosted a great dinner and actually had the nerve to serve Anheuser-Busch products. Can you imagine?!?!?!?! Not only that, but f*ck me sideways with a chain saw if he didn't actually seem to know what he was talking about. Yep, those Anheuser-Busch brew- masters are a funny bunch, they is.

Whoa. A new discovery! Must... follow... along... in... hymnal. Sing it, bro!

And yet here you are, washing down a mass-produced crap cracker with mass-produced crap beer. Granted, you could have an extra-strong crack stash that you dip into regularly and actually believe that Molson beers are somehow not "mass produced crap," but somehow, I'm just not buying that. I'll just hope that the sharp cheddar wasn't Kraft and the yellow mustard wasn't French's.

Oh please, don't stop. I could read this stuff for days.

Just guessing here, but it seems awfully similar to the one that thinks Molson Ice isn't crap. HTH. HAND.

Keep posting, though. It beats actually learning something about beer.

Depends on your definition of "brewed." IIRC it takes something like 22 days for Budweiser to go from ingredients to packaged beer. I personally use the word "brewed" to only encompass the time it takes me to go from ingredients to wort in the fermenter. FWIW.

I did mean the actual brewing time. I heard AB was always quick to get product to market. Cook it 3 days, pump in artificial carbonation, can it, sell it to rednecks.

Bud IS the king of beer (SALES) But you must agree, the beer itself is tasteless crap. Not as bad as Coors Light, but almost as bad. Savvy advertising is the key. I could sell my own piss if I advertised like AB. There is a reason the masses buy that stuff.

If you actually attest to Bud, you must work for them. Bud fans scream about their freshness at the point of comsumption. Because they have the strickest standards. I will not deny that they do. I have been to Busch Gardens 200 times, next to the factory. Bud out of the plant is fresh, however still has no flavor, no body, nothing! A typical factory beer. Even Miller has a hint of taste. But Bud is the dullest crap I ever tasted besides the silver bullet of coarse. How does anyone justify Bud? Like I said. you must work there.

Jim

Jim Wild wrote: : : Bud IS the king of beer (SALES) But you must agree, the beer itself is : tasteless crap. Not as bad as Coors Light, but almost as bad. Savvy : advertising is the key. I could sell my own piss if I advertised like : AB. There is a reason the masses buy that stuff. :

I beg to disagree. Budweiser does have a taste -- there is a flavor produced by acetaldehyde that makes it taste like green apples. Some people aren't sensitive to it, others are. It's acceptable for the style:

Coor's Light is not bad either, for the style. I attended a BJCP study group for the American Lager style and we judged Coor's, Miller and Bud Lite beers -- Coor's got slightly higher marks from most of the prople in attendance and the comments in support of that stance were simply that it is a bit cleaner than the others. We tasted them blind, by the way. The minimal off flavors produced by the corn in Bud and Rice in Miller made a difference.

Here's the thing, Jim. You get to choose to not drink American Lagers if they don't float your boat, but it's a perfectly valid style for homebrewers and commercial brewers to work with. It's a difficult style to work with because it's so apparent when you screw up. Off flavors have nowhere to hide.

In addition, devotees of the style tend to have fairly sophisticated palates in terms of their ability to detect slight variations in these beers. Don't be so quick to knock those "Rednecks" -- and Never NEVER try to run a cold can of Coors in on a Bud drinker. The point here is that these megabrewers need to maintain consistency from one batch to the next using geographically diverse facilities. These beers don't change from year to year either, despite the changes in growing conditions that produce slight variations in the raw grain and hops that are available. Think about what it takes to do that.

Like you, I personally don't volunteer much of my shelf space to American Lagers be they megabrewed or craft brewed, but if someone else wants to drink them I find myself compelled to respect the artisanal excellence that goes into the production of these beers.

You might want to compare "what you heard" with, um, fact. Like the kind you get from talking with an actual A-B staff brewmaster, for instance.

BTW, all mass-produced filtered beer - Miller, Bud, Coors, Molson, Labatt, Heineken, Corona, all of it - has "artificial" carbonation "pumped in." Well, except the carbonation is more natural than "artificial" - much of it is recaptured during fermentation for use in final packaging. Funny how that works. If you completely filter a beer prior to packaging, you have to introduce some means of carbonation, and mass-producers find force-carbonation to be more efficient and consistent than bottle conditioning.

I agree only that that Budweiser has very low thresholds of hop flavors, which is deliberate, and very light flavor and body. Not tasteless, although to someone accustomed to, say, lots of Polish porters and American IPAs, it might seem that way.

The control and precision employed to get Budweiser to be what it is is a marvel of process engineering. You don't put that much effort into a product to make "crap," no matter what your opinion is of the stuff.

Don't get out much, do ya? Don't work for A-B, never have, likely never will, but then, I don't do the beersnob wannabe thing either.

You might want to go look up "perspective" in the dictionary. You clearly could use some. I don't care much for stuff like Bud, but then, I don't give a phlying phuc about Miller (including "1855") lagers, Pabst, Coors, Molson, Labatt's, or Corona either. So? Their existence in the marketplace doesn't diminish my experience one little bit.

A-B owns 50% of the market in the USA, and sells boatloads elsewhere, too. That's how.

Dude. The crack pipe. Quit refilling it, just once, m'kay?

You're wrong.

You're wrong.

I just tried a bottle of 1855 and my conclusion? I like the High Life better but it's still quite quaffable.