Chinese Commerce

I see the negative side of it. As more vendors get online, it will be more and more difficult to sift through all the vendors to find a good one. It's akin to going to the tea market and taking all afternoon to find someone that doesn't treat you like you've never drank Chinese tea before. There's still a good chance that even the 5 dollar cakes should only cost 1 dollar or less even at the reputable dealers sites online.

I just rich I was rolling in the dough. I would fly you guys out to Guangzhou, and we could spend the afternoon in Fangcun; it would be educational beyond belief.

I see the negative side of it. As more vendors get online, it will be more and more difficult to sift through all the vendors to find a good one. It's akin to going to the tea market and taking all afternoon to find someone that doesn't treat you like you've never drank Chinese tea before. There's still a good chance that even the 5 dollar cakes should only cost 1 dollar or less even at the reputable dealers sites online.

I just wish I was rolling in the dough. I would fly you guys out to Guangzhou, and we could spend the afternoon in Fangcun; it would be educational beyond belief.

god. sorry...I hate google groups.

So why don't you learn how to use it? As I've said to you offline, you need to start quoting relevant parts of the posts you respond to. Admittedly, Google doesn't seem to make this the default, but other posters seem to deal with this successfully.

/Lew

"Mike Petro" wrote in news:1121177282.556391.107080 @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I think that depends on the number, cost and frustration level of the "hoops you have to jump throuigh", both for the small Chinese merchants & their Western customers (for example, how about a "special" fee to get an export permit, permitting a small busnessperson to tap those lucrative overseas markets?)

Maybe consumers will benefit, though -- but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have to me more alert to do so.

Ozzy

I can follow the relavent threads with relative ease using the "view as a tree" button, which I would recommend you try. I was saying that I hate google groups because it crashes my IE and then double posts.

You're the only one that seems to have trouble following threads around here, so I would pose the same question to you: Why don't YOU learn how to use it?

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Mydnight,

With all do respect, and I do respect you, the message above, as well as your "god." message are a complete mystery to me, as many of your decontextualized messages are. This is not criticism, but a suggestion: Add as much of the orginal post as is necessary to make clear to what you are referring.

I use a usenet client, not Google groups. It's clean and to the point. Highly recommended, if possible. It's also right up to the minute, unlike the web-based portals such as Google, etc. Perhaps in China you don't have the same wonderful resources that glut our American life, but still and all, context helps, however you are able to achieve it.

Michael

Then why are you using it? If you are on Great Wall Broadband, ask if they have a Usenet server available. I gather you are in Wuhan from your IP address, which means you may need to talk to the headquarters guys.

If they have no news server (and nntp.gwbn.net.cn doesn't seem to resolve for me), you can always buy a Supernews account. Getting off of Google and onto a real news service will be a huge improvement in every possible way.

There is a free server in Changzhou at news.bentium.com, which seems to be pretty reliable. It has a good feed, but it is set up for read-only access. It's possible that you can get posting access through their server for a fee.

--scott

What makes you think I read Usenet with Google Groups?

Rash assumption.

Because I'm happy with the newsreader I use: Emacs/Gnus. You're asking me to use your newsreader; I'm just asking you to learn to use the one you already use.

/Lew

Again what the hell are you talking about without telling us to climb a tree. I use Google Groups so read the Help to find out how too include quoted post. As far as I can tell it is the default in other words I couldn't turn it off if I wanted too. As far as I can tell you are deleting the quoted post specifically. The basic Usenet standard is too include at least snippets of what you are talking about. I don't use Google Tree View but Timeline. Several of us have complained publicly about your lack of etiquette. Honestly sometimes I have no clue who or what you are talking about because you are several days behind a thread. So saw off the branch behind you. The last newsreader I had didn't support threaded tree views.

Jim

Mydnight wrote:

I am constantly amazed and infuriated by users of Google's usenet interface. It happens in most groups I subscribe to; you open a message, and are confronted with, for example, ONLY these words:

'I know. I don't happen to use them, but if I did, I would certainly add the Barton 3 beforehand.'

It's crazy-making.............................................p*

Hi Mike,

I do hope so, from the way I see it, the other way round seem more possible - where small vendors jump on the bandwagon and try to reap what the large vendors are ripping off from the online buyers. The other problem I can see is that to made use of the Paypal advantage, a small vendor would have to have a website, run it, and maintain it; since being net savy is still a problem for most of these rural vendors, they would have to buy the service of web designers, and that's added cost to them, which might eventually add to the price of the goods.

Not to mention that these websites would probably be in Chinese, and it's added cost to have them translated...

Danny

"Mike Petro" Now, as more Chinese

[Pilo] [Michael] The reason you are having problems is because you are using the Barton 3, which is outdated. Switch to the Barton 3.2 and you will be pleasantly surprised at the difference. Performance, connectivity, and aducatability improve immensely. Just a thought. Hope this helps.

BTW, with the Barton 3.2, you will have no trouble usng them. Let us know how it works out.

Best, Michael

What's hard about filling out a Customs Declaration form and using China Post? My latest shipment from China arrived in record time 6/23

- 7/13. Someone is now attaching my zipcode as a barcode. The last shipment included a 100g tuocha from some factory other than Xiaguan or Menghai. The production date was March this year. It is the most agreeable black so far. I noticed the second infusion was almost non existent. Which leads me to ponder are multiple infusions a sign of aging? I think PayPal if it pans out will be a plus. They had to jump through some International Banking regulations hoops I would guess. There are lot of PayPal merchants who don't sell on Ebay. PayPal should make the transaction screen available in language of choice so you know the cost even though you don't know what you are buying in say Chinese.

Jim

Ozzy wrote:

"Space Cowboy" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

I'm pleased to hear that importing is so easy -- but in posting I had pictured the small exporter having possible trouble as well (having to pay a bribe suggested itself at once).

Still, having Paypal may possibly lead more merchants to try to export, whatever the problems, and this *will* be good for the consumer. Maybe more trash, but more treasure too.

Ozzy

I don't have access to any news-servers here, and I can't find one. I hate using google groups, and before I was using forte agent for my browsing.

If you're using google, it's really easy to follow threads in a tree style by doing the following:

1. Hit view full text only.
2. Hit sort by first post
3. Hit view as a tree.

Although, it sucks to use google, it's easy to follow.

We still don't know who you are talking too but probably yourself again. It's even easier to quote posting using Google which is compatable with all newsreaders. I like using Google without the tree. I use it like a newsreader. I look at the latest sequential posts in the subject and reply at will without worrying about the limb with the ability to look at older posts with the same subject that may be decades old. Oh yeah if you can view a tree the post is still inserted properly.

Jim

Mydnight wrote:

Hey, you've learned how to quote with Google Groups! Thanks for this.

/Lew