Earl Grey

And why does anyone want to pay $400 a share for Google when this is the way it treats Usenet?

What the heck are you talking about, and what has it got to do with Earl Grey?

dmh

If you're bothered[1] by your inability to quote from the post you're replying to, see

/Lew

No, I'm bothered by the fact that it doesn't actually post messages when it posts them, causing me to re-post them and look like a moron.

--Blair "Go ahead. Gainsay is thine."

Looks to me like you're doing that on your own without any help from Google.

stePH

-- in cup: Ahmad Earl Grey

I'd say 95% of my Google posts are no delay. The remaining several minutes,hours but no longer than two sweeps of the hour hand. No lost posts. I've noticed around any holiday there maybe an extended lag. I think it is maintenance. I've learned to trust Google and since it is 'free' who is complaining?

Jim

Blair P. Hought> No, I'm bothered by the fact that it doesn't actually post messages

I'm afraid that if you're looking for instant propagation, Usenet's the wrong medium; it isn't just Google Groups as a Usenet provider.

You're still omitting the context for your replies, I notice.

/Lew

I am complaining. Google provides a horribly crude interface to Usenet and so newbies come in thinking that's the same thing everyone else sees. Also they purchased the old dejanews archives and have progressively been making access to them more and more ugly and clumsy. Now even folks like Blair are winding up stock on it.

Blair, here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself...

--scott

My service provider MSN.COM doesn't have a newgroup server. It's just a matter of time before yours disappears. I like Google Groups better than any newsgroup reader I've tried. The most recent threads sort to the top of the webpage. You don't have to worry about the ones you've read because IE will highlight any new ones. Google keeps them threaded so changing Subject has no effect. All the recent replys on one single webpage more or less. I use sequential view so last post by simple END key with IE. If push comes to shove switch to the threaded view to find out who is talking to who when they don't quote the post. I've done that when I see partial quoted posts. The most important Google supports international languages once you learn the trick. If you're a regular poster you can refresh your memory using Search. All my posts archived by DejaNews are still available. You can delete old posts which may come back to haunt you. If it isn't archived by Google you didn't say it. I probably wouldn't go back to a newsgroup reader. Usenet has it problems with abusers and the clueless but that has nothing to do with Google. My main problem with Google I don't like anykind of filtering because of the country I live in or to protect me from adult material. I'm waiting for some report of Google and HSA pruning the archives of information usefull to terrorists and political activists involved in peaceful lawfull assembly and protest.

Jim

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Now stePH, I've come to know you through your posts as someone who is above comments like that.

I'm not above comments like that, in the same way that the ground is not above the sky :-) Particularly when I see something like the initial post (which smacks of a troll). If the OP has a problem with Earl Grey, he might actually state his grievance rather than just post something obscurely snarky.

stePH

-- in cup: 2003 brick sheng puer (from Tao of Tea) (dregs of) 2nd infusion

Who was being obscure?

--Blair

The problem wasn't instant propagation. It's loading in a timely manner. Something delayed the original message's appearance in Google's own database for a considerable time, making it look like nothing had posted, and a check of the group confirmed that. But when I reposted, both appeared.

The thing that will probably cause me the most reason to stop using Google Groups, though, is that it has a posting limit. And doesn't say what the limit is.

As for context, I recommend a threaded newsreader. I wouldn't post anywhere without one.

--Blair

I've found it good etiquette to quote messages for context. You really don't know what varied ways folks might be accessing your message on Usenet.

Steve

Marlene snipped-for-privacy@individual.net/4/06 15: snipped-for-privacy@utahis.com

Although StePH might be "above" such comments, he is still quite correct in his assessment. Michael

snipped-for-privacy@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com1/4/06

StePH, in all fairness and in my case, if I had to refrain from comments obscurely snarky, I might as well close down the shop and go home. Michael drinking Oriental Beauty

Blair P. snipped-for-privacy@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com1/4/06

Blair, with all due respect, and speaking of context, you left contextual text out of your post above. I wonder if I could ask you to include a contextualizing snippet of the old post when you respond. Thanks. Michael

I think the Google assurance of seeing one's post rolled up 'momentarily' is more true than not. I've never lost a post with Google. There is nothing in the Google psyche that depends on a double post besides serendipity. If you don't believe me look at the current share price. Google has a threaded view. You only need it when people don't quote. If there is a posting limit it is because people try to post video or audio files in non Usenet format with appropriate reassembly instructions. The standard formats for Usenet audio video posts are automatically deleted by Google no matter where they come from. It is a function of blanket censorship more than storage space. To this extent I think Google is abusing Usenet and should cease the practice or cease archiving. Most people complain about software because it makes them look stupid than coding bugs.

Jim

Blair P. Hought> The problem wasn't instant propagation. It's loading in a timely

I have one too.

Sorry, that doesn't get you off the hook. When you reply to a long post that makes a number of points, it's only fair to your readers to make it clear which points you're responding to. To achieve that, I recommend replying inline to text you quote.

/Lew