maybe and easy question?

I've also heard "justice pot".

/Lew

But Sherdwen sent the Chinese characters in UTF-8, which *is* a common Unicode encoding.

/Lew

I just came back from Zhongwen and zhong can also mean 'wine vessel' so maybe not completely out of context.

Jim

samarkand wrote:

I didn't see header information with something like charset="utf-8" or the GB or BIG5 charset. All I know how to preserve is the two characters which make up the Unicode value which seems to be the Internet standard. I use Google which translates the Simplified and Traditional value to Unicode value. Google knows to do this when it sees a charset value for Traditional or Simplified which didn't happen in this case. For the TaoBao and Ebay puerh search strings I had to use Simplified character values and not Unicode. You can sometimes trick Google into revealing the underlying character sets which you can cut and paste by using the Back and Forward arrows with another website.

Jim

Lewis Per>

hey danny i understand what you mean about letting them learn about the tea/language by keeping it a literal translation, good point, but i still disagree :P heheh wow seems like my question started some ruckus, hahahah, ohh about the chinese and code, i remember a few years back when i first tried to look (not read) chinese on the computer... i had hellllllllllllllllllll. anyway make sure you down load the language internetpacks and i use chinese traditional, which is big 5. now i know if you are new at this this will sound chinese to you or greek,,hahahhaha, but any way. if that doesnt work then try the simplified chinese. just for the record i have english version windows. so you can read or at least look at chinese on internet. on last think if you save anything or want to post here from another site or program you can first open and save a wordpad doc as a unicode file NOT AN ANSI file. then do a cut and paste to the word file then put it on google, one last thing is on the paste you can special paste without format, my question is whats the difference between unicode 8, unicode and big endian. boy i wish i had this kind of help when i was starting out icetea

Oh dear, did you tryencoding it on simplified (GB23123)?

Anyway, you are right, after posting the article last night I remembered that in old chinese novels such as The Story of the Stone, the word Zhong was used, however, it is not in the shape of a pitcher, but of a large cup, wide mouth and tapers to a narrower base - as in the shape of a bell, the other Zhong...

I still don't see the terms tea pillow though, I'll rig up the old books and check...

Danny

Interesting I did a reverse Google lookup using some verbatum strings and got no hits. I don't know the URL because I trust I can find it again using the original cut and paste with Google. So in advance I'll apologise to the author as I can't find the URL and quote verbatum the entire description of gongfu paraphernalia which in itself is invaluable. Some of the terms have been mentioned in the past and they matched the description in context and character. I don't know why he/she uses 'tea clock' for tea pitcher unless lost in translation or just a typo but the pinyin matched the character. There may be other things too quibble about because it was never scrubbed by gongfu linguists who should know but who is say this author didn't.

Jim

A basic Ch> It's not a "tea clock" Jim, but a "tea container" ÖÑ.

Of course, sherdwen, you are a foreigner learning chinese, there will be terms which seems right to you, but to us native speakers, it seems kinda weird sometimes, so we prefer to retain the romanized spelling of the word, like 'I Ching' (Wade-Giles) or 'Yi Jing' (Pinyin) - hard to call it The Book of Books, or The Book of Analects, does it?

Danny

There are people that obviously call the $B38CV(B a $B38Km(B...and some use a big $B38(B $BKm(B as a tray for the pot, so that becomes a tea pillow too ? Also, how do you call a *cosy* in Chinese ? In Japan$B!"(BI've seen $BCcD[Km(B in a department store. That was really a pillow with a small pot lost inside. I don't remember from which tribe they said that came. They asked an awful price for that very kitsch article.

Kuri (that decided to put her teapot on a nali and pour the tea in a zhege)

In general, google is not very good about such things. Even if the headers state the proper encoding, google really does not handle it properly unless it is (ugh) MIME-encoded.

--scott

There's more information than you probably want at

/Lew

cowboys and clocks.. i seen an earlier post telling jim that .."it is not a tea clock", i laughed because the word cha zhong .... i mean zhong if written in chinese incorrectly will sound like zhong but written like clock, hahahha thats what you get when playing around with translation software... i like the name babelfish or altabable, because most of it is just babel crap,,, dont get me wrong i use these stites too for i cant read chinese, can speak some, read very very skoshi... sherdwn

Hi Sherdwen,

No, It is not, I think I did reply some thread back that Jim was right, the Zhong is indeed 'Clock', and the usage was correct, at least in The Dream of the Red Mansion (Hong Lou Meng).

Cha Zhong (as in Clock, or rather, Bell) was an archaic term, an earlier form of Zhong (as in Bowl).

It was used in conjunction with wine in most usage, as a wine vessel in the shape of a inverted bell.

In mid Qing it was loosely applicable to tea vessel. But the usuage is not common nowadays.

Danny

I would like to lookup a Chinese character in a radical dictionary without the pinyin language and computer unicode crutches. I know about radicals and strokes but that doesn't do me anygood.

Jim

sherdwen wrote:

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Could you be more specific?

/Lew

Here is the character for tea on the Zhongwen site:

You and I look it up in our dictionaries using English or Pinyin. The Chinese look it up using strokes/radicals which Zhongwen also provides. I have no clue to the number of strokes or the radical in this character. The second frame is the etymology of the pictogram which is unrelated to the strokes or radical.

I found a backdoor to Zhongwhen using Unicodes. The website does not provide one perse. Here is the one for tea where you insert the Unicode at the end of the string:

Jim

Lewis Per>

hey maybe I might knowthat or maybe I can take a guess. whats the name of that vessel.. Could it be Faircup? I have heard that word in the tea brewing ,uh somewhere,, Uh I heard or read. Ok I guessed but am I right or not?