Yunnan 6FTM Geography map

No Jim,

NeoCathay should be credited for the effort...I merely fill in the gaps.

Danny

You filled in the gaps heretofore. I hope NeoCathay will take pity on me again and do the same when I ask the Chinese character questions. Sasha has helped in the past. For Lew, you go to Unicode.Org and download the 26 meg Unihan.txt file and extract the corresponding two byte national language sets with Unicodes you want. Just beware the GB2312 codes are in raw decimal row-column format so you add

Jim

samarkand wrote:

Yeah, No. 4 should be 漫撒

samarkand wrote:

SG9wZSB0aGlzIHdvdWxkIGJlIHRoZSBmaW5hbCB2ZXJzaW9uIDopCjHvvIzmlLjkuZAKMu+8jOiO veaenQoz77yM6Juu56CWCjTvvIzmvKvmkpIKNe+8jOmdqeeZuwo277yM5YCa6YKmCg=

Yes it is...though the more acceptable for no.4 Man is without 'water', but that is ok too, I guess.

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Hi NeoCathay,

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim

Final proof of 6FTM:

You r welcome, Jim. Really appreciate your effort in making these characters right, especially when you not speaking them; Even though Chinese language is pretty much self-explained, as the nation of Cathay contains (nowadays) 56 different ethnic groups, the frequently used character set are still different accross the territory, as u may remember, even I, as a 1st language speaker, would make mistakes.

Could you - or someone else - explain this, please? I'm aware that some ethnic groups, e.g. the Dai who are so important to Pu'er, have their own character sets. I'm also aware that different groups pronounce the same written characters in radically different ways. But I hadn't heard that different groups use different overlapping subsets of Chinese characters. Are we talking about ethnic groups that speak languages that have little similarity to Chinese and use Chinese characters for historical reasons?

/Lew

I've always been jealous of people who speak English as a second language. I think they have to be sharper than average even the ones who take the order in English and fill it in Spanish. Once I got routed to a help center in India and I'm asked to enunciate more distinctly. If I'm younger I learn Chinese or Russian and make my fortune elsewhere. Arabic is also a money maker. Japanese is good for ordering seafood and French for surrendering. Heyheyhey Carlos Mencia is funny and all Don Rickles could do on TV is CPO Sharkey. I always wanted to sit on the front row and be insulted.

Jim

NeoCathay wrote:

Be careful what you wish for, especially around here!

/Lew

Well, as I said to Mike before, unless one could have a oveview of something, information fragment would easily cause loads of confussion. The key concept to your confussion, I suppose, might be the defination/knowledge of the nation of Cathay. It is a huge nation of hybridism with more than 6k yrs of history. If you take this subject seriously, you know where to turn to, isn't it. Sorry for this kind of reply, but your question just too big.

This might be the answer you would expect: As the country was and is too big and still bearing the memory from a long history of more than 6000 years, different people in different places speak the same language differently. A comparable example would be, in Uk, we call a mobile phones a mobile, while is the states, u call it a cell phone, or Duke in UK is a kind of title which always associate with certain priviilege, but a normal family name in the states.

Some of the ethnic group have their own language and still using it, and some don't, they might had it and lost it passively/actively, but most of those groups just joined their language to make the whole set bigger. More than 6k yrs' love, hatred, marriage, and finghting would allow many things happen.

Lew,

Well, as I said to Mike before, unless one could have a oveview of something, information fragment would easily cause loads of confussion.

The key concept to your confussion, I suppose, might be the defination/knowledge of the nation of Cathay. It is a huge nation of hybridism with more than 6k yrs of history. If you take this subject seriously, you know where to turn to, isn't it. Sorry for this kind of reply, but some aspect of your question just too big.

This might be the answer you would expect: As the country was and is too big and still bearing the memory from a long history of more than 6000 years, different people in different places speak the same language differently. A comparable example would be, in Uk, we call a mobile phones a mobile, while is the states, u call it a cell phone, or Duke in UK is a kind of title which always associate with certain priviilege, but a normal family name in the states; not mentioning all the funny accents accross the states...

Some of the ethnic group have their own language and still using it, and some don't, they might had it and lost it passively/actively, but most of those groups just joined their language to make the whole set bigger, as the nature of a character based language, it has been very easy for us to do so. More than 6k yrs' love, hatred, marriage, and finghting could teach people many things.

Well, if you hadn't heard of this before, you just heard, again.

Lew,

Well, as I said to Mike before, unless one could have a oveview of something, information fragment would easily cause loads of confussion.

The key concept to your confussion, I suppose, might be the language of the nation of Cathay. It is a huge nation of hybridism with more than 6k yrs of history. If you take this subject seriously, you know where to turn to, isn't it. Sorry for this kind of reply, but some aspect of your question just too big.

This might be the answer you would expect: As the country was and is too big and still bearing the memory from a long history of more than 6000 years, different people in different places speak the same language differently. A comparable example would be, in Uk, we call a mobile phones a mobile, while is the states, u call it a cell phone, or Duke in UK is a kind of title which always associate with certain priviilege, but a normal family name in the states; not mentioning all the funny accents accross uk and the states...

Some of the ethnic group have their own language and still using them, and some don't, they might had it and lost it passively/actively, but most of those groups just joined their language to make the whole set bigger, as the nature of a character based language, it is not difficult at all. More than 6k yrs' love, hatred, marriage, and finghting could teach people many things.

Well, if you hadn't heard of this before, you just heard it, again. Want to prove this? Ask some people from the north part of China and ask him/her how to speak and write the word "fuse" in Chinese, then find somebody from Guangdong or Hongkong to do the same thing for you.

Lew,

Well, as I said to Mike before, unless one could have a oveview of something, information fragment would easily cause loads of confussion.

The key concept to your confussion, I suppose, might be the knowledge of the my native country. It is a huge nation of hybridism with more than 6k yrs of history. If you take this subject seriously, you know where to turn to, isn't it. Sorry for this kind of reply, but some aspect of your question just too big.

This might be the answer you would expect: As the country was and is too big and still bearing the memory from a long history of more than 6000 years, different people in different places speak the same language differently. A comparable example would be, in Uk, we call a mobile phones a mobile, while is the states, u call it a cell phone, or Duke in UK is a kind of title which always associate with certain priviilege, but a normal family name in the states; not mentioning all the funny accents accross uk and the states...

Some of the ethnic group have their own language and still using them, and some don't, they might had it and lost it passively/actively, but most of those groups just joined their language to make the whole set bigger, as the nature of a character based language, it is not difficult at all. More than 6k yrs' love, hatred, marriage, and finghting could teach people many things.

Well, if you hadn't heard of this before, you just heard it, again.

Lew,

Well, as I said to Mike before, unless one could have a oveview of something, information fragment would easily cause loads of confussion.

The key concept to your confussion, I suppose, might be the definition of the "Nation of Cathay". It is a huge nation of hybridism with more than 6k yrs of history. If you take this subject seriously, you know where to turn to, isn't it. Sorry for this kind of reply, but some aspect of your question just too big.

This might be the answer you would expect: As the country was and is too big and still bearing the memory from a long history of more than 6000 years, different people in different places speak the same language differently. A comparable example would be, in Uk, we call a mobile phones a mobile, while is the states, u call it a cell phone, or Duke in UK is a kind of title which always associate with certain priviilege, but a normal family name in the states; not mentioning all the funny accents accross uk and the states...

Some of the ethnic group have their own language and still using them, and some don't, they might had it and lost it passively/actively, but most of those groups just joined their language to make the whole set bigger, as the nature of a character based language, it is not difficult at all. More than 6k yrs' love, hatred, marriage, and finghting could teach people many things.

Well, if you hadn't heard of this before, you just heard it, again.

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Jim, I'm standing up and applauding your sentiment above. I agree completely and profoundly. It's no easy matter to learn English, and people struggle hugely to make even a little progress. As I said to my Spanish teacher last summer, I had to struggle hard to learn to speak bad Spanish well, and now I'm struggling to speak good Spanish badly. (This might sound criptic, but actually it refers to some of the complexities of Spanish grammar and the order in which they are learned.)

BTW, I am not even attempting to follow the intricacies of the Chinese character discussion, but I am very interested in the corrected map of the Pu'erh area.

Michael

Immersion is better than classes. If I had to do it over again I'd find a gardener or house keeper who could teach me the language. That fat kid in Spanglish would also learn some so she could apply to Princeton. Speaking of intricacies I made a breakthrough this week in processing the different Japanese native language sets JIS,SHIFT_JIS,EUC-CP to lookup UNICODE values. It is a straight forward calculation to reduce the language pairs for EUC-JP and JIS to the KUTEN value (row,column decimal) stored under the JISX0208 column (misnomer) in the Unihan database. For example the language pairs for tea EUC-JPÃE3, JISC63 easily reduce to KUTEN567. You then use the KUTEN value to look up the corresponding UNICODEƒ36 in Unihan.txt which you download from Unicode.org. SHIFT_JIS’83 is the byte pair for tea. The calculation to reduce it to the intermediate usuable JIS value is a bit nasty ie you will have to do a shift right bit manipulation in the calculation. I found a C program on the Internet that shows the calculation JIS2SJIS and SJIS2JIS. Leave it up to MS to make life miserable who came up with the scheme for SHIFT_JIS and is almost universally used in Japanese Web pages. For the curious geeks you can use 9283 and see the glyph tea character and the corresponding Unicode value using the MS SHIFT_JIS Charset at:

Jim

Michael Plant wrote:

Jim: I would appreciate it if you would acknowledge that Babelcarp is my effort rather than a "version" of your work.

/Lew

Your Babelcarp and my Rosetta Stone have nothing to do with each other. I was giving you kudos and didn't mean to imply what you're suggesting. The only reason they're in the same sentence is from a previous post where I noted you can't search using codes from Chinese or Japanese native language sets just recently added Unicode. If I WAS going to make the information in my Rosetta Stone available it would be similar to what you did, simple keyword lookup instead of webpages. I've been toying around with making the information available through some automated email processing since I wouldn't have to pay for some web server. Unfortunately MSN doesn't make available any POP3 and SMTP and I've never got around to figure out what they require to interface to their web based email.

Jim

PS: You now have the > "Space Cowboy" writes: