Highland Park 18


Now that I'm done school I can now afford whisky that actually tastes good. I've had a handful of single malts and have enjoyed most of them. I think Talisker 10 is my favorite so far. My daily drink is a canadian whisky called Alberta Springs 10. Its not great, but economical and I like it. After getting my first good paycheck I thought I'd treat myself to a special whisky and bought HP 18, since it is "The best whisky in the world" acording to some. Now don't get me wrong, its not bad, but I was expecting more. Maybe I can still remember the finish of Talisker and was looking forward to that.
What do you guys think about HP 18. I think I'll stick the the less expensive whiskys until I've had a few more SMs.
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hoover

If you started out liking Talisker as a single malt, then the more delicate highland-styled whiskies might be a bit of a disappointment. I think if you try more highly peated whiskies though (Ardbeg, Lagavulin, Laphroaig, Ardmore, Bowmore, Benriach-peated, Caol Isla, et. al.) you will not be nearly as indifferent.
The less-peated, more delicate things can grow on you, though, particularly if you try them before dinner instead of after a meal or any other kind of palate-addling experience (like milkfats or cigars).
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Douglas W Hoyt
> Now that I'm done school I can now afford whisky that actually tastes > good. I've had a handful of single malts and have enjoyed most of > them. I think Talisker 10 is my favorite so far. My daily drink is a > canadian whisky called Alberta Springs 10. Its not great, but > economical and I like it. After getting my first good paycheck I > thought I'd treat myself to a special whisky and bought HP 18, since > it is "The best whisky in the world" acording to some. Now don't get > me wrong, its not bad, but I was expecting more. Maybe I can still > remember the finish of Talisker and was looking forward to that. > > What do you guys think about HP 18. I think I'll stick the the less > expensive whiskys until I've had a few more SMs.
Try the Glenfarclas Cask Strength. ("105")
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Talisker 10 is also a favorite of mine. The 18 year old and the Distiller's Edition are even better but of course more expensive. If you liked Talisker then you may like Lagavulin 16 although it is often more expensive. Then of course there is Ardbeg and Coal Ila. The Highland Park 18 is good but also expensive. Don't forget to treat yourself with a Laphroaig 10 year old cask strength and last, try to find some Smokehead at about $35. Enjoy! Daniel > >> Now that I'm done school I can now afford whisky that actually tastes >> good. I've had a handful of single malts and have enjoyed most of >> them. I think Talisker 10 is my favorite so far. My daily drink is a >> canadian whisky called Alberta Springs 10. Its not great, but >> economical and I like it. After getting my first good paycheck I >> thought I'd treat myself to a special whisky and bought HP 18, since >> it is "The best whisky in the world" acording to some. Now don't get >> me wrong, its not bad, but I was expecting more. Maybe I can still >> remember the finish of Talisker and was looking forward to that. >> >> What do you guys think about HP 18. I think I'll stick the the less >> expensive whiskys until I've had a few more SMs. > > Try the Glenfarclas Cask Strength. ("105")
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If you have found that you like the peated scotches, you might want to stick with them for a wile. Peated scotches can leave you with a Complete boquet for all the sences, each one has its own depth and complexity. Some suggestions are: The Ardbegs; start with the 10yr its some what inexpensive and, don't let the young age scare you its a wonderfully sofisticated scotch. You will learn age is all marketing. Another is Lagavulin; but can be quite pricey, and all the Laphroigs. Allso one called Peat Monster by Compass Box; this is a vatted malt and wonderfully priced. As far as Highland Park 18yr its a nice medium bodied scotch with vanilla and light mixed fruit on the nose, the vanilla and a slightly richer fruityness on the palet and add a medicinal charictoristic in the finish. I find it a refreshing chang at times. Some other scotches to try at a desent price are the Glenmorangie wood finishes.
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> If you have found that you like the peated scotches, you might want to > stick with them for a wile. Peated scotches can leave you with a > Complete boquet for all the sences, each one has its own depth and > complexity. Some suggestions are: The Ardbegs; start with the 10yr its > some what inexpensive and, don't let the young age scare you its a > wonderfully sofisticated scotch. You will learn age is all marketing. > Another is Lagavulin; but can be quite pricey, and all the Laphroigs. > Allso one called Peat Monster by Compass Box; this is a vatted malt > and wonderfully priced. As far as Highland Park 18yr its a nice > medium bodied scotch with vanilla and light mixed fruit on the nose, > the vanilla and a slightly richer fruityness on the palet and add a > medicinal charictoristic in the finish. I find it a refreshing chang > at times. Some other scotches to try at a desent price are the > Glenmorangie wood finishes. > > -p.s. forgive the spelling
The last scotch I bought was Glenmorangie 10. I'm somewhat dissappointed. I know I should explore different tastes, but I'd rather stick with Glenlivet 12. I find it is much for flavorful. I'm not sure about complexity and finish and all that, but I think the Glenlivet just tastes better. I recently had McClelland's Islay. I thought it was great, bit of a unpleasant finish, but I thought it was good for $26 CDN. If made great Rob Roys as well. I know that is frowned upon, but it was good, plus the unpleasant finish was masked. A friend bought me JW Gold for a house warming gift. Its really nice. I think you're just being a SMW snob if you don't like it much due to the blending grain whisky. I'm still quite new to scotch and my plan was to have a good representitive scotch from each region and then start betting more into it, but I think I'll focus on the peated scotches for a while.
Andy
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I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. It's never done it for me. Especially when I was going through my peat phase. I find it lacks character. It's way too expensive for something so plain jane. That said, people always disagree with me about it.
If you want to spend $100 on a bottle of whisky, right now I'd say the best value is the 1990 Wilson & Morgan Caol Ila 15 Cask Strength. If you like peat it's phenolmenal (yuk yuk). Something much less expensive I enjoy for its richness is Scapa 14. It'll probably be available for about $50. It's another Island malt, like Talisker, but I find it alot less fishey, with more woody and malty flavours.
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> I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. It's never done > it for me. Especially when I was going through my peat phase. I find > it lacks character. It's way too expensive for something so plain > jane. That said, people always disagree with me about it. I won't disagree with you. It's nice enough, but lacks the bite that I like in the Islays. > > If you want to spend $100 on a bottle of whisky, right now I'd say the > best value is the 1990 Wilson & Morgan Caol Ila 15 Cask Strength. If > you like peat it's phenolmenal (yuk yuk).
I happen to have that in the cupboard at the moment. I have peatier, more phenolic Islays around, like Laphroaigs, Ardbegs and young Lagavulins, but I do like that one. It's my hundred-dollar malt for this year, though I may look in that price range again when I visit Calgary at Christmas, where the good malts cost a lot less than in British Columbia.
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"ColinL" > I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. It's never done > it for me. Especially when I was going through my peat phase. I find > it lacks character. It's way too expensive for something so plain > jane. That said, people always disagree with me about it. I agree with you. But I haven't had the latest batches, which acording to some is better. > Something much less > expensive I enjoy for its richness is Scapa 14. It'll probably be > available for about $50. It's another Island malt, like Talisker, but > I find it alot less fishey, with more woody and malty flavours. > > Colin.
Scapa 14 is a nice one. An interesting thing is that it has no socalled coastal flavours/aromas at all. Actually I find it amazingly similar to Dalwhinnie 15, only richer and with a bit more character. So much for M. Jackson's ideas of "terroir"...
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I did detect a little hint of seasalt in the Scapa, but otherwise I agree. It's amazingly not very briney for being an island malt. Either way, it's delicious. > "ColinL" > > > I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. It's never done > > it for me. Especially when I was going through my peat phase. I find > > it lacks character. It's way too expensive for something so plain > > jane. That said, people always disagree with me about it. > > I agree with you. But I haven't had the latest batches, which acording to > some is better. > > > > > Something much less > > expensive I enjoy for its richness is Scapa 14. It'll probably be > > available for about $50. It's another Island malt, like Talisker, but > > I find it alot less fishey, with more woody and malty flavours. > > > Colin. > > Scapa 14 is a nice one. An interesting thing is that it has no socalled > coastal flavours/aromas at all. Actually I find it amazingly similar to > Dalwhinnie 15, only richer and with a bit more character. So much for M. > Jackson's ideas of "terroir"... > > Gunnar
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> "ColinL" >> I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. . > > I agree with you. But I haven't had the latest batches, which acording to > some is better. >
The older bottling of HP 12 in the round cardboard tube was a nicely peaty and smokey malt. The next bottling, in the square cardboard box was terribly bland and I stopped drinking HP. Then recently there was a bottling in a round metal can and it's pretty good so I'm back to HP. Now, just t'other day, I picked up an even newer bottling in an oval cardboard tube. It's nice as well.
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> >> I've always considered Highland Park to be overrated. It's never done >> it for me. Especially when I was going through my peat phase. I find >> it lacks character. It's way too expensive for something so plain >> jane. That said, people always disagree with me about it. > > I won't disagree with you. It's nice enough, but lacks the bite that I > like in the Islays. >> >> If you want to spend $100 on a bottle of whisky, right now I'd say the >> best value is the 1990 Wilson & Morgan Caol Ila 15 Cask Strength. If >> you like peat it's phenolmenal (yuk yuk). > > I happen to have that in the cupboard at the moment. I have peatier, > more phenolic Islays around, like Laphroaigs, Ardbegs and young > Lagavulins, but I do like that one. It's my hundred-dollar malt for this > year, though I may look in that price range again when I visit Calgary > at Christmas, where the good malts cost a lot less than in British > Columbia. > > bill
Where do you see the Caol Ila 15 for sale? I cant find it on the web at all........
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> > [ . . . ] > Where do you see the Caol Ila 15 for sale? I cant find it on the web at > all........
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> "bill van" wrote in message > news:billvan-427A15.22100815032007@news.telus.net... > >> > >> If you want to spend $100 on a bottle of whisky, right now I'd say the > >> best value is the 1990 Wilson & Morgan Caol Ila 15 Cask Strength. If > >> you like peat it's phenolmenal (yuk yuk). > > > > I happen to have that in the cupboard at the moment. I have peatier, > > more phenolic Islays around, like Laphroaigs, Ardbegs and young > > Lagavulins, but I do like that one. It's my hundred-dollar malt for this > > year, though I may look in that price range again when I visit Calgary > > at Christmas, where the good malts cost a lot less than in British > > Columbia.> > > Where do you see the Caol Ila 15 for sale? I cant find it on the web at > all........
It's this one, with appraisals as quoted by Wilson & Morgan from the maltmadness web site:
Caol Ila 15yo 1990/2005 (55%, Wilson & Morgan, C#4709/4710
This was one of Peter's favorite Caol Ila's this year (he voted for gold) and with nine more votes for silver this earns a very solid medal. Overall, it was the 4th highest scoring Caol Ila in 2006. My notes say: 'Fairly restrained nose opening up quickly. Peat! Pretty solid on the palate with plain peat, although it doesn't really have a unique style of its own. Pleasant tannins in the finishŠ Good but a little simple - 'Ointment, smoked meat, tar sweet unguent sweet rubber, dry perfumed smoke. Tar and spirit, creosote and coking coal, oily and phenolic palate. Spirit, charry notes old fireplaces, some burning leaves'.
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I get quite a few google hits with the search terms
"wilson & morgan" "caol ila" 55 1990
I can't say what its availability is elsewhere. It just popped up this year in the B.C. government specialty stores.
It's only about the third Caol Ila I've come across here and it fits the general distillery profile I've experienced with the other two: kind of like a more polite Laphroaig. A very nice drink.
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>> > [ . . . ] >> Where do you see the Caol Ila 15 for sale? I cant find it on the web at >> all........ > > Go to
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> >> "bill van" wrote in message >> news:billvan-427A15.22100815032007@news.telus.net... >> >> >> >> If you want to spend $100 on a bottle of whisky, right now I'd say the >> >> best value is the 1990 Wilson & Morgan Caol Ila 15 Cask Strength. If >> >> you like peat it's phenolmenal (yuk yuk). >> > >> > I happen to have that in the cupboard at the moment. I have peatier, >> > more phenolic Islays around, like Laphroaigs, Ardbegs and young >> > Lagavulins, but I do like that one. It's my hundred-dollar malt for this >> > year, though I may look in that price range again when I visit Calgary >> > at Christmas, where the good malts cost a lot less than in British >> > Columbia.> >> >> Where do you see the Caol Ila 15 for sale? I cant find it on the web at >> all........ > > It's this one, with appraisals as quoted by Wilson & Morgan from the > maltmadness web site: > > Caol Ila 15yo 1990/2005 (55%, Wilson & Morgan, C#4709/4710 > > This was one of Peter's favorite Caol Ila's this year (he voted for > gold) and with nine more votes for silver this earns a very solid medal. > Overall, it was the 4th highest scoring Caol Ila in 2006. My notes say: > 'Fairly restrained nose opening up quickly. Peat! Pretty solid on the > palate with plain peat, although it doesn't really have a unique style > of its own. Pleasant tannins in the finishS Good but a little simple - 'Ointment, smoked meat, tar sweet unguent sweet rubber, > dry perfumed smoke. Tar and spirit, creosote and coking coal, oily and > phenolic palate. Spirit, charry notes old fireplaces, some burning > leaves'. > >
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> > I get quite a few google hits with the search terms > > "wilson & morgan" "caol ila" 55 1990 > > I can't say what its availability is elsewhere. It just popped up this > year in the B.C. government specialty stores. > > It's only about the third Caol Ila I've come across here and it fits the > general distillery profile I've experienced with the other two: kind of > like a more polite Laphroaig. A very nice drink. > > -- > bill > remove my country for e-mail
You can find it in BC now? I cant find it for sale at all :)
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> >> > [ . . . ] > Rgr That Nick.. I order from them all the time..
I love that place. Graeme bought a bottle of Ardbeg 10 from them, by credit card, from the UK. They had it waiting for me. I brought it up to kili and TFM®'s wedding. I'll soon be making a run up there to see if they've got Tullamore Dew Irish Whiskey.
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> "bill van" wrote in message > news:billvan-FF71FB.01492521102007@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net... > > "wilson & morgan" "caol ila" 55 1990 > > > > I can't say what its availability is elsewhere. It just popped up this > > year in the B.C. government specialty stores. > > > > It's only about the third Caol Ila I've come across here and it fits the > > general distillery profile I've experienced with the other two: kind of > > like a more polite Laphroaig. A very nice drink. > > > You can find it in BC now? > I cant find it for sale at all :)
That was the case here until a few years ago. Now there is relatively exotic stuff showing up from time to time in the several government liquor stores with specialty sections.
Trouble is, it's way overpriced. The Canadian dollar is at par with the U.S. now, but I see the Lagavulin 16 priced at $80 on U.S. websites, while it's $116 Cdn here.
Something less common, Longrow 10, I see advertised in the U.S. between $60 and $110, depending on the year. The only expression available here is priced at $170.
I think we're probably getting a double whammy here. B.C. and several other Canadian provinces are notorious for adding a percentage of the import price to a bottle, rather than a flat amount per bottle. So higher-end products become tremendously expensive. Alberta does the flat amount per bottle, and its exotic malt prices are usually 30-40 per cent lower than B.C.'s. (One store currently lists Lagavulin 16 at $76, and Longrow at $103, all Cdn)
Part II, most wholesalers haven't yet adjusted their prices for the newly at-par Canadian dollar, though I suppose the pound and the Euro are more relevant.
By the way, if you're traveling to Europe, my sense, mainly from posts by others here over the years, is that Britain is one of the higher-priced jurisdictions, again because of the taxes. Germany and Holland have lower prices, as I understand it.
Enough ranting. We pay through the nose, but at least the selection is improving.
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>> >> > [ . . . ] >> Rgr That Nick.. I order from them all the time.. > > I love that place. Graeme bought a bottle of Ardbeg 10 from them, by credit > card, from the UK. They had it waiting for me. I brought it up to kili and > TFM®'s wedding. I'll soon be making a run up there to see if they've got > Tullamore Dew Irish Whiskey. > > -- > Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! > I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They > are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not > forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
I run by there on my reg trips to LALA land... I dont remember you serving Ardbeg at the Daves place:)
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> >> >> > [ . . . ] > >> Rgr That Nick.. I order from them all the time.. > I run by there on my reg trips to LALA land... > I dont remember you serving Ardbeg at the Daves place:)
The boxed bottle was presented to the lovely bride and her groom. I have no idea what they did with it!
I'm not far from the Wine & Liquor Depot. Drop by on yer next trip and share a wee dram or three. I might even Q something or get Jun to do some Thai. Eat my SPAM to email me and I'll send you my phone #.
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