Someone gave me 3 Bowmorw Mariners!

I never, ever had anything remotely resembling FWP. I think it was all bullshit. Someone was trying to discredit Bowmore. And they did a good job.

hawk

Beans wrote:

Not everyone noticed it or was bothered by it. But the majority of posters here, including some of the most knowledgeable malt drinkers to post here over the years, *did* notice it. So did I -- a perfumy aroma and taste that was a little offputting to some, very offputting to others. It hasn't been there in more recent bottlings.

On the whole, I don't think it's a great idea to get hostile about a thing like that and deny other people's experience. We can have different tastes and different perceptions, and still have civilized conversations about single malts.

bill

I purchased a bottle of the 17 year old stuff that was absolutely undrinkable, simply awful.

I have had some McClellands Islay, which I understand is a young Bowmore, that was okay.

I guess we'll see.

Jeff

As I said, someone did a good job.

hawk

hawk wrote:

Sorry but . . . what is FWP?

It stands for French W....house Perfume. Many think Bowmore has some problem where some bottles become contaminated with a very unpleasant odor and flavor. I personally think it is an urban legend started by someone who wanted to discredit Bowmore. And they have done a good job.

hawk

The Man With No Idea wrote:

Once again, I protest. This group's regulars over the years have included international authorities on single malts, some of them published, and not the kind of people who can be hoodwinked by a specious rumor. The majority of them detected so-called FWP; some were more bothered by it than others. Some found the affected bottles to be undrinkable, while a few couldn't detect it at all.

But all of them had the good grace to accept that not everyone's perception of something as subtle as the taste of whisky is the same, and that it is possible to disagree on such matters without anyone being wrong. Not one of them ever tried to discredit any of the others by accusing them of trying to discredit some malt or other.

bill

Bullshit Bill, you are just propagating the myth. I don't give a shit how many "experts" claim to detect FWP, it is a myth. The experts don't want to thought of as not being "with it".

I repeat my offer. Anyone who has an example of FWP, send me a sample. I will give it a taste test.

hawk

hawk

Bill Van wrote:

I see. You know what I've tasted and smelled. That's good. Also, apparently, anything you haven't experienced is a myth. How do you get through the day?

I guess everyone else is wrong. I can only aassume you work for Morrison Bowmore, or else consider yourself some sort of expert.

Hey, if you like the stuff, drink it. Don't tell other people what they taste.

Jeff

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:42:41 -0700, the alleged hawk, may have posted the following, to alt.drinks.scotch-whisky:

Hawk, will you concede that any or all of the following points as valid?

. A tiny (as opposed to a small) sample size is statically worthless.

. There is a genetic predisposition that some tasters are unable to detect a "soapy" taste in cilantro and/or a "bitter" taste in broccoli or cauliflower.

. There are people who taste things differently than you.

. There are "supertasters", who taste things differently than you or I.

Regards, Rob

-- "Or better yet, use the Jack Daniels `shot and a chaser' glass. An honest admission of the true nature of Tennessee whiskey."

-- Bushido in alt.drinks.scotch-whisky

Robert, will you concede that some people taste what they think they are going to taste? Yes, there are "supertasters", but they are not the people spreading the myth about FWP.

hawk

Robert Crowe wrote:

I like Bowmore, I don't work for Bowmore and I am no expert. It just doesn't make any sense that there is an occasional bottle of Bowmore that tastes like FWP. Not all of one batch, not just one expression, but an occasional bottle of any Bowmore. Urban myth plain and simple. And people who are susceptible to suggestion, start tasting it.

hawk

Beans wrote:

I've stated my position on this subject before but for the record:

I've never come across this characteristic in any of the Bowmore's I have drunk.

When asked every distiller, and malt aficionado I met had never heard of FWP. This includes two weeks on Islay a couple of years ago where I was lucky enough to visit all seven distilleries.

When I last looked on Google, the only mention of FWP was in another forum such as this one.

I draw my own conclusions but at the end of the day you pays your money...

Uzytkownik "hawk" napisal:

I'm sorry to say that, but your postings are getting dangerously close for you to be labelled as a troll. Both in style and contents. For a long time I have been of the opinion that the whole FWP thing is just what you call it - an urban myth. Never came across it, loved Bowmore with all my heart in all its expressions. However, the idea of insulting others who claim to have experienced it never came to my mind. Do yourself a favour and grow up. More to the point, some time later, I did come across an FWP bottle of Bowmore. And it was nothing less than a 30yo Bowmore Sea Dragon. The contents of the same bottle was tasted by several friends of mine independently (samples were sent over by post), so we were definitely not affecting each other's impressions. They were posted on our newsgroup. Some people said it had a disturbing taste, but was drinkable, some others flatly refused to drink it after nosing it only. Another bottle of the same label was purchased, from a different source, remains of the first one saved for comparison. In head-to-head tasting of the two different batches of Bowmore

30yo Sea Dragon, the diffierence was astounding. The other sample had a very similar profile, was definitely the same whisky, but it lacked just one element - the FWP. One of the tasters described it as the feeling you have when you're on public transport, crowded, on a hot day, standing right next to a lady who hasn't washed for a week or so and tried to drown her nasty smell with a full bottle of cheap perfume. Very accurate, I might add. Cannot send you a sample as the whole contents has been used for demontration purposes.

Cheers, Rajmund

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Bullshit Raymond.

hawk

Rajmund M wrote:

Uzytkownik "hawk" napisal:

Actually, my name is Rajmund. And I'm proud of its Polish spelling. And touchy about some dumb prats misspelling it. Your mistake - however far from the topic discussed - only goes to prove what a sad and narrow-minded individual you are.

EOT

Fuck you Rajmund. People like you who have no proof, no facts, who believe urban myths and in general have no substance always resort to name calling. If you have a shred of evidence to support the FWP urban myth, produce it. Otherwise shut up.

hawk

Rajmund M wrote:

If that's how you're going to respond to long-time, thoughtful and erudite posters on this group, you will soon run out of people to converse with.

The group's history is almost completely free of flames, trolls, and rude insults and about three quarters of your posts to date are on the wrong side of the line. I for one am done with you.

Bye, hawk.

bill