California Chablis, Burgondy, etc., no longer so labeled

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He may be in error. I think, oth, that I've seen something about that the Bush administration has expressly forbidden any reports and/or TV footage on body bags coming from Irak? It isn't always easy to sort out what's true or not about reports from the other side of the pond - could you confirm? Anders

I think that is correct. The embedded media had some stipulations on reporting and showing of injured and dead.

That is my recolections...but what does that have to do with trade?

Salut/Hi Steve Grant,

le/on 24 Aug 2004 09:40:15 EDT, tu disais/you said:-

If that's the case, perhaps you would care to tell us what you know about the current trade war between the USA and Europe. Dick Neidich has freely admitted he wasn't aware of one.

Or are you saying that I'm wrong in suggesting that US newspapers are more concerned about the appearance of Ms Jackson's mammary appendages on TV than on matter of world Trade.

Or are you simply lashing out from general anti-Europeanism.

Similar to Mark Twain's famous comment on his reported death, the reports of how the current administration is handling the war are "greatly exaggerated". We're in the silly season of a presidential election year and the manifest decline in intellectual capacity of the average citizen means that the political dialog is reduced to name-calling, innuendo, and over-simplification of complex issues.

The reporting of names of casualties in the war on terror (which we are all involved in whether we admit it or not) is a daily affair. Even in the hinterland we get the side-bar in the daily newspaper of deaths and wounded. (As a career military type, I find the numbers surprisingly low considering the magnitude of the operation). The administration has requested that video of arrivals of caskets not be routinely displayed. This is more in deference to the families than a suppression (we've also got a pesky little thing called the First Amendment to our Constitution that gets involved.)

As for the "trade war", Ian is certainly correct that there are considerable tariff issues under discussion regarding wines, spirits and (of all things) whole milk cheeses. It is virtually impossible to draw lines between the political, the economic and the emotional on these issues.

And, Anders, you might want to note that we don't return our warriors to the US in "body bags", they get aluminum flag-draped coffins.

I've experienced virtually no discernible change in prices or availability of the indispensibles of my life style which includes regular infusions of single-malt whisky, a wide range of Italian reds and a slowly increasing collection of Rhones and Bordeaux. So, the impact of the trade war at the consumer level is minimal.

I will confess to having recently reshod my Infiniti coupe with Bridgestone's rather than Michelin's but it's about performance and not about the country of origin. And definitely not a commentary on the results of F-1 races.

Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" Both from Smithsonian Books

Ed, I was told that embedded media had limitations on what they were allowed to report and when they were allowed with regards to dead, injured. Many cases it was to allow for families to be notified first and to protect their names.

That said I heard information was being delayed due to public sentiment.

Granted most of my info is from my son who is in a liberal arts school but they studied this issue in a jounalism class. He is dual major businss/jounalism for pre law at UNC-Chapel Hill.

I don't think we get all the news.

Hi Dick

All this is OT, so I hope it ends soon, here is what could be a concluding statement :

I think you are right, having the opportunity to visit the US every

Cheers, and back to wine.

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

I agree with that. News is very slanted based upon country its reported in.

You ever get to North Carolina?

Partly. There is no way any administration could forbid "reports" about such things. We still have a free (if sometimes gullible) press over here. What the current administration has done is to keep the press (including photographers) away from situations where flag-draped coffins (not body bags) would be visible. A woman who was a private contractor was fired, along with her husband, for taking photographs inside a transport plane that contained several dozen flag-draped coffins. Such prohibitions have not been used in the past and stand in stark contrast to practices in the UK, where members of the Royal Family often attend the unloading of transport planes containing bodies of soldiers killed in action. AFAIK, our president has yet to attend any ceremony honoring US soldiers killed in action. The only conclusion that I can draw from all this is that it is an attempt to hide the true cost (and I'm not talking about dollars) of the Iraq war from the American people.

Regarding Ian's comment on a trade war between the USA and Europe, trade disputes generally don't get much coverage in the newspapers, at least the ones I read (including the New York Times) and rarely any at all on TV. An exception was when the current administration put higher tariffs on imported steel several months back to protect domestic producers. The EU threatened retaliation on a range of US products and the tariffs were dropped. Living in Seattle, I read a lot in the local papers about disputes between Boeing and Airbus, and I suspect similar issues are reported on where they have a local impact. Whether all this amounts to a trade "war" is a matter of definition.

In the overall scheme of things, wine labels seem like a minor issue (except to the Burgundians, the Champenois, the Chablians(?), ect.).

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No, only California, sometimes NY. What about your French trip, that still on the roadmap?

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

Possibly later this year or spring next year.

Sorry, but you'd be way wrong regarding the President's involvement with the returning active force, wounded, hospitalized and deceased. He's been several times to Colorado where he spent considerable one-on-one time (not a photo-op!) with families from Fort Carson who lost members in the 3rd ACR, the 3rd Bde/4 ID, and the support units. He's also been to Fort Hood for similar purposes as well as meeting several of the returning aircraft with those who have lost their lives. He's visited the hospitals and there's been a number of back-channel photos passed from vet to vet showing him running with one of the rehabilitating amputees, talking quietly with wounded, and embracing family members.

These events shouldn't be about the publicity, but about the sympathy for loss and respect for the sacrfices made.

The cost (not about $$) is very visible in terms of the daily newspapers.

Might I suggest that the "gray lady" isn't what she used to be as an unbiased news source. You might pick up the Wall Street Journal once or twice a week for more about world trade relations. And, it was the WTO, not the EU that pointed out that the steel tariff was a treaty violation leading to its repeal.

Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" Both from Smithsonian Books

True that it was the WTO and in that case it was a mistake to withdraw. There were many an appeals process that would have had to been exhausted by challangers. In the end the US Steel industry has been hurt for years by countries that subsidize steel exports. It has destroyed may a US Steel Company. Bush should not have backed down.

I am aware of the fact I cannot get raw milk, non aged cheese. :-(

I am not aware of any other trade issues.

Since the French term is "les chablisiens", I'd opt for "Chablisians".

M.

My sincere condolescence ...

No vin jaune in the USA, since the traditional clavelin bottle of

M.

There was a case of nurse on a plane with body bags and wounded personnel who took pictures of the body bags being loaded and in flight. Her pictures ended up in the news media and she got booted out of the military. There was no way that it interfered with notification of relatives. It was just bad press for Bush.

Soon after the war ended, the BBC came out with a very strong statement about how FOX news was distorting the news in the US in favor of Bush. Ruppert Murdock who owns Fox has fallen out of love with Tony Blair and it slanting the news in the opposite direction in the UK.

Now how could PinkChablis infringe on an EU name?

Am I silly when I ask why they don't fill it in 750ml bottles and do away with any problems? OK, the size is traditional - and so what? What matters is the wine, isn't it? Anders

What is this wine that we cannot get cause its not a 750 ml.

I missed that and do not understand "since the traditional clavelin bottle of

They can import any size they want if they have in importer I thought.

Perhaps we just don't undertand that size?