Philosopher on Oz wine

Sounds about right to me.

Bruce Bruce Bruce Bruce Bruce

University of Walamaloo Philosophy Department

Australian Wines are all ego. NZ wines have personality.

Salut/Hi Martin Field,

le/on Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:37:07 +1100, tu disais/you said:-

I am always more than a little suspicious of philosophers. But when it comes to philosophers discussing wine - words fail me.

I rather like the thought of a landscape being a farmer. But of course he's talking crap, as the Australians who make wine are often descendants (more or less recent) of people from wine growing cultures.

gout de terroir”’, choosing

moron market’.

There's a tiny element of truth here, in that (as I've said before) vines that are using the soil in which they grow _purely_ as a physical support, with water and nutrients being supplied by the grower, will inevitably be less affected by that part of their environment (the soil) than - say - Yarra Yering, where Dr Carrodus _doesn't_ irrigate. But to describe wines like those made at Ch Tahbilk, St Hallett, d'Arry etc in those terms show ignorance and arrogance in simply staggering proportions (par for the course for many philosophers, I fear).

Grin!! I wonder...

Not all Australian makers, (though some do), make wines that are over extractive and over oaked. Some years ago with a group of friends we drank the '62 Grange, a '45 Leoville Barton, and a '62 Tabilk Special Bin Cabernet. The latter was by far the wine of the night, and still remains one of the best wines I have ever drunk. The desert wine drunk that night, a '62 Penfolds bin 414 Show Sauternes was also of outstanding quality.

Ron Lel

gout de terroir”’, choosing

moron market’.

Well said Ian.

As everyone knows, philosophy is a euphamism for people with arts degrees who like to talk crap at great length. Not strictly true, as of course philosophy covers almost the complete spectrum of the arts and sciences (both in subject and its practicioners), but for the most part it is true.

It is the old story, outrageous statements gain attention and sell papers. Without having looked into it further this guy seems to have missed the mark, and it would appear the tone he has written in he has some major bee in his bonnet about something.

Mat.

You managed to make a post without mentioning Italy.

Bravo Michael.

A good incendiary comment provokes discussion. Playing devil's advocate or otherwise is just as useful in both bringing and clarifying new ideas as it is in dispelling bad ideas. By Roger Scruton's remark's you have discussed this item further and enlightened both each other and the casual observers of the group. Whereas if Mr. Scruton had said "The profound thing about Aussies reds is that they are both Australian and Red" then not one word would have been said about it and we would have all been none the wiser.

Aaron

Surely "hunter-gatherer" and "farmer" are being used as adjectives to describe the landscape.

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...... The desert wine drunk that night, a '62

In which desert is this vineyard? :-) Anders

Well as it was an desert Australian wine, try the Simpson desert. For shame, having my spelling corrected by someone for whom English is not the native tongue. :-(

Ron

Feel free to proceed at any pace, Ian! ;-)

M.