Sensitivity to pyrazines

Hello, While reading up on Cabernet, I stumbled on the human olfactorial sensitivity to pyrazines. Apaprently this is measured in ng/L (in wine, c.

15 ng/L, in a neutral solution, 6ng/L). This compares very favorably to, e g, the sensitivty to TCA, which is measured in mg (it may start at about 6 mg/L). So, the difference is a factor of 6, i e, we are close to a million times as sensitive to pyrazines as to TCA. Why are we so sensitive to this group of compounds? What is the evolutionary gain? Cheers Nils
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Nils Gustaf Lindgren
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This is pure speculation Nils, but we and other animals generate these pyrazines and other volatiles all over our bodies (if you followed Python, think "aborigines aaaahmpit"). I believe they are some kind of marker, not unlike pheromones, therefore important in sexual communication, and that they are easily detected by the odorant binding proteins in our nasal mucus. I don't believe TCA is a marker among animals, so we possibly don't detect it as easily.

(Mark, please end this nonsense of mine...)

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Mike Tommasi

Avoiding the consumption of ladybirds/ladybugs/coccinella might have helped our ancestors survive:

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Tom

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The above suggests "The sensory threshold for TCA of a few individuals can be measured in the parts per trillion."

So some people (presumably a tiny minority?) have a sensitivity for TCA as good as the rest of us have sensitivity for pyrazines (i.e., parts per trillion = ng/L).

Do these people enjoy wine? Or do they find every wine in contact with cork or wood unpleasant?

It would be interesting to take a group of people and measure their TCA and pyrazine sensitivity (blindly) and then move onto a blind wine tasting (perhaps with some TCA or pyrazine thrown in for good measure!). Perhaps it's already been done. If so, I'd like to read about it.

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Tom

Take a population sample and bring them to a cork forest (there is one not far from my house if you need one). If they start doing funny things to the tress, they are oversensitive to TCA... :-)

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Mike Tommasi

Nils, our threshold of sensitivity to TCA is usually around 3-5 parts per trillion. Given that a liter of water weighs 1 kg, 1 ppt would be 1 ng, so our TCA sensitivity would be 3-5 ng/L -- comparable to that of pyrazines. It's also dangerous to ascribe all behavior as according us an evolutionary benefit. Some may, some may not. Maybe our sensitivity to pyrazines is there to warn us of unripe fruit? ;-)

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

Hmmm - will obviously have to check up on the data concerning TCA sensitivity. I parse Tom's post as a case for pyrazine sensitivity being our way of being warned of lady bugs.

Cheers

Nils

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Nils Gustaf Lindgren

The following article gives a 2 ng/L odor threshold for wine (referencing the second article).

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J Biosci Bioeng. 2005 Aug;100(2):178-83. Identification of 2,4,6-trichloroanisole (TCA) causing a musty/ muddy off-flavor in sake and its production in rice koji and moromi mash. Miki A, Isogai A, Utsunomiya H, Iwata H.

National Research Institute of Brewing, 3-7-1 Kagamiyama, Higashi- Hiroshima 739-0046, Japan. snipped-for-privacy@kzkappa.co.jp

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J Agric Food Chem. 2002 Feb 27;50(5):1032-9. Method for the gas chromatographic assay with mass selective detection of trichloro compounds in corks and wines applied to elucidate the potential cause of cork taint. Soleas GJ, Yan J, Seaver T, Goldberg DM.

Quality Assurance Department, Liquor Control Board of Ontario, 55 Lakeshore Boulevard East, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5E 1A4.

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Tom

In the above, I should have written "The following article gives a 2 ng/L *TCA* odor threshold for wine..."

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Tom

Yes, 2 ppt (2 ng/L) is the accepted lower threshold of human sensitivity, though more typically people's sensitivities begin at 3-20 ppt. As with many odors, human sensitivity varies greatly from individual to individual.

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

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