TN Martin Ray Pinot Noir 1965

Martin Ray was an eccentric and perfectionist wine maker the likes of which California may never see again. The only living wine trade person I can think of that is about as perfectionist and opinionated as Martin Ray was is Mme. Leroy. Some of Rays wines were outstanding and some are still holding. Others were awful. When you push your theories to the limits, you sometimes fail completely. I only had one bottle of Martin Ray 1965 Piot Noir, which I bought at least 25 years ago. I really was not expecting it to be drinkable. Even many top wines from Burgundy are too old after 39 years, and California Pinot Noirs are not noted for extremely long life, in general.

The wine is still fairly deep colored, especially for a Pinot Noir of this age. There was some age showing around the rim, but not excessive. It has plenty of bouquet and taste left. Major things that come to mind are dark fruit and spice. Many minor notes include leather, tobacco, smoke, and hints of mushrooms and dry leaves. There is also a bit of barnyard character that I could do without. There is plenty of acid and some tannin left. I could not call it a fine wine at this stage because, although very complex, it has a few off notes such as the slight barnyard character that somewhat offset the overall whole impression. Yes, I know some fine Burgundy can have a slight barnyard character, but it is a bit cleaner than what I noted in this wine. In any event, drinking it was a very interesting experience, and the backup bottle of another wine I had ready to open will remain for another day.

My mailbox is always full to avoid spam. To contact me, erase snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net from my email address. Then add snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com . I do not check this box every day, so post if you need a quick response.

Reply to
Cwdjrx _
Loading thread data ...

For interested readers, his 2nd wife wrote a biography "Vineyards in the Sky" which is quite an entertaining read. Without ever having met the man, I'd say his closest soulmate in the CA wine biz was the late Joe Swan, who was every bit as visionary, stubborn and eccentric IMO, but by all accounts had better "people skills." Perhaps not coincidentally, both were hit-and-miss winemakers who wouldn't be able to get a job in today's commercial industry.

I am amazed not only that the wine was as alive as you report it to be but also that you decided to wait all this time to drink it! ;-)

Mark Lipton

Reply to
Mark Lipton

FWIW, I met Joe Swan once in early 1983. He was nice enough to taste a few of my early efforts and tell me the truth kindly enough so as to neither break my spirit nor encourage me to defiance. In not so many words he let me know that I'd better stay away from this business unless it's truly in my blood.

I'm still here.

Tom S

formatting link

Reply to
Tom S

cwdrx wrote:

Reply to
RobertsonChai

Not much, apparently ...

M.

Reply to
Michael Pronay

So glad to have someone mention Martin Ray (and NOT THAT NEW WINE BRAND WHICH IS TRADING ON HIS MEMORY).

Agreed. Martin Ray was the Hunter Thompson, the John Huston, the "We don't gotta show you no stinking badges" kind of maverick which everybody loves and hates simultaneously.

He planted the first chardonnay vines in California--all twenty vines of it---since Prohibition. And insulted all devotees of Chardonnay for the next 25 years.

He was a contemporary of the McCreas of Stony Hill, and the founder of Hanzell, and the early owners of Mayacamas winery---a 1940s pioneer who had both vision for California's vinous future, and contempt for the young generation, such as myself, who came to wine country in the 1970s as part of the Back to the Land Movement.

We were the ones who adored Robert Mondavi and hailed the progress of the wine industry. Martin Ray sat back in his ivory eyrie in the Santa Cruz mountains and just spat out platitudes to the "old tradition" of Burgundy, and considered all of us newcomers as just freeking upstarts.

The crusty old bastard died in the late 1970s, and nobody mourned him. His final vintages were dogshit. But as years went by, we all began to appreciate this old fart as a pioneer of our new tradition.

I am honored that you mention him, and selected a great bottle for review to this newsgroup! 1965 Pinot Noir from Martin Ray must be an almost religious experience. Kinda like an old Andre Tchelistchef masterpiece?

Now, some upstart wieners have created a brand name--Martin Ray---from a name which 99.86% of their customers never heard of---or were even born when this Old Master was crafting his handmade wines in a cave above Saratoga.

It's a disgusting travesty. Some of the "new" Martin Ray wines are quite good---but what freeking right do they have to steal the name of a maverick pioneer?

How do they hope to sell their swill to an audience which wasn't even born when Martin Ray was the Terror of terroir?

Nobody ever HEARD of the son of a bitch, except a few cognosenti in the 1950s and 1960s.

Boggles the mind.

I've calmed down now. A draft of vintage Porto has brought me to my senses.

I'm very grateful for your post, about a legendary wine from a classic California pioneer, worthy of great respect, whose wines were loved as much as he was unloved.

---Bob

Reply to
RobertsonChai

Never met Ray, but have had some Mount Eden's I believe he was involved with--did meet Joe Swan--very nice man even his second label, Trenton Cellars Zin was good. I recall also meeting Elinor McCrea, Milton Eisele, Dave Bennion, Richard Watson, Leon Adams and Charlie Wagner on this side of the world. Met a whole host of Italian legends like Gaja, Giacomo Conterno, Quintarelli, Ratti, Elvio Cogno, Giacosa, the Ceretto brothers and the Curado's of Vietti. There's something special about winemakers in that they need to be a bit mushugga to devote themselves to obtaining ephemeral responses to their creations.

The difference is today's Jess Jackson, Justin Meyer, while more technically proficient than Ray, Bruce, etc have picked up on the marketing gene pioneered by Robert Mondavi and Joe Heitz and are more concerned with the "sizzle" then the steak. When I was ITB at first I heard about micro-climates & ph levels from sales people and towards the end I heard about positioning in the market and profit margins. Hardly what Swan, Sessions, and Charlie Wagner were about.

Reply to
Joe Rosenberg

DrinksForum website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.