First Crush: Cab Sauv and I am SO building/buying a destemmer next year

I just finished crushing 432lbs of Cab Sauv from Mayers Cider Mill (Cali). I had been trying to obtain Cab Franc (heard someone was selling at 900$/ton but only for 15 ton lots) so I settled.

I used the egg crate method (thanks whomever suggested it) and we got to about 12 mins/ lug, or about 3lb/minute. Destemming is a total PITA... I ended up crushing (Stems and all) 1/2 the batch to do a comparison. The crusher is inadequate and I will have to build a new one. The wine press has to be totally rebuilt- I'm learning that a winery operation is very expensive business!

5.4 g of KMS in approximately 24 gallons of juice to sanitize and then tommorow morning a little dose of yeasties. Pectic enzyme (whatever was left over) to try and extract some more colour and flavour from the skins.

My crusher is manually operated- I have a flywheel for it but didn't have time to build the jig to hold it. Next year, it WILL be running- if I have to disassemble a bike frame to make it fit and run. I'm starting to understand that a small crusher/destemmer, at 800$, could very well be worth the investment.

All in all a woderful experience- I have a much better *not yet complete* understanding of the steps. My red juice was already turning brown by the time I hit it with the sulfite, so I'm hoping not to be too damaged.

Question(s): Does one filter (say, 30 micron for big chunks) juice after pressing? Can you run MLF on skins? How do oak chips (Added at crush) influence?

With that, I'll finish my Noveau Merlot and call it a night. Where's the ibuprofen...

Jason

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purduephotog
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Just let it settle and rack off. Keep a nose on it for off smells if you leave it for a week or so though.

Is it on the skins or pressed? I rarely do MLF because i usually have low acid must. Others should speak to that better than I can. That said, you have a lot of sulfite in there right now for MLF. I might wait until it was almost finished if i were you.

I can't imagine a red without some sort of oak, some say it integrates better added preferment. I did it that way this year. I did 4 ounces per 6 gallons.

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Joe Sallustio

Regarding MLF - IMHO; I always MLF red wines 'just in case'. DOn;t want spritzing wine when I open a bottle a couple years from now.

Add some mal bacteria soon after primary is vigorously underway. Better chance of getting the MLF going before the alcohol gets high. MLF likely won;t finish for some time. Long after the wine is still - test with paper chromatography. Anyway, paper chrom is a fun test just for the hell of it!

Question y'all; do you often use pectic enzyme on red wines? I use PE on my pear wine - bt have never done so on a grape wine. I usually focus on pH at the start of fermentation as the best way to ensure good color and flavor extraction. Joe - do you ever use PE on a red wine?

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Ric

It's still on the skins. The berries are largely intact- crushed, but still roundish in the tank. I had intended to ferment them on the skins for a week or so, then rack off and press, separating free run and pressed juice for further processing.

I have heavy and medium+ toast stavin chips- going to integrate those as soon as I can. I had some powdered oak I was going to use to try and lower my chances of vegetal aromas.

pH was 3.74 and sg was 1.104 . I figure it rise a bit more as the raisins soak up. I haven't measured total acid yet (no time). Yeast will go in tonight if I can figure out how to keep them warm....

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purduephotog

Hi guy! We crushed 30 lugs of Lodi cab sav 3 weeks ago. We can't afford a destemmer but will cash in our deposit bottles next season to buy one. Any hoo: we've never filtered off the crush or the press. we've always racked at least once before any physical manipulation and have never experienced any brown discoloration ( and we're amazing lax and lazy by anyones's work standards.) 12 mins/lug may have been a little long, but that's wine over the dam. We've always primaryed w/ stems. We've always pitched Malo on the skins when the brix drops between 10 & 5 with what we've considered favorable results Our results on the whole have been at least G-VG. Our council sez: skip the ibuprofen, get some grappa instead and don't fret too much! HTH

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bobdrob

Yep, I use pectic enzyme an all wines. I use less on grapes than fruit though, about 1/2 as much as a guess. Each manufacturer has different instructions as to how much to use.

Since I never did it any other way i have no idea if it helps or not but I never have cloudy wines so...

Joe

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Joe Sallustio

Grappa... now that's a mans drink. :) The stuff i have has was closer to moonshine than brandy.

Seriously, if you use that powdered oak go easy, a little goes a long way. I would use the beans over that, StaVin is not even close to the same thing at imparting flavors, it's much better than oak dust as far as i am concerned.

Joe

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Joe Sallustio

I agree with joe- we used stavin before we bought a barrel & always got compliments on the product. plus the cubes are way easier to deal with all around...

the beauty of grappa ( now there's a bold statement!) is that it is what it is: Firewater. wa-hoo!

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bobdrob

Thanks Folks-

I believe I will purchase a small quantitiy of eVoak chips- they have a free 'trial' kit and the aromas from their chips are just wonderful. This way I can do double blinds again...

Is it unusual for the cap to be about 10 to 20 degrees warmer than the wine it's soaking in? When I punch it down (by hand and by pot) it's reading about 88 F, but the liquid is down around 70 F. I'm using a small oil filled space heater in between the two trashcans (picture to follow) to keep them warm.

Jas> I agree with joe- we used stavin before we bought a barrel & always got

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purduephotog

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