I want dark German lager

In Germany you won't get Lager Beer. Try it with Export.

Best Regards Holger

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Hello Holger,

just wondering: Where do you get all of your beer-wisdom? Of course you can get Lager in Germany, at least I can!

Prost,

Bastian

And now tell the beer friends in the US where they can get your lager.

Holger

Hello Holger,

you wrote: "In Germany you won't get Lager Beer." and I replied that this is not true. I do not know where they can get Lager beer in the US and I did not state that in my reply.

Bastian

Furstenberg Antonius........Commonly refferred to in Scotland as, 'The Dark Assassin'. As black as the midnight sky without a moon, taste is to die for, however the hangover may actually require that.......

One of the Furstenberg beers, as German as they get. In 1994 there was a, 'Furstenberg Drought' in Glasgow due to folding shipping firms....And you lot thought LA was a riot.......

Um, at the thousands of stores and bars that sell German lagers?

-Steve

Then you can get more than we her in the Southern Germany. But I don't miss it.

Holger

"Holger Reuchlin":

Hi NG,

I believe there is a misunderstanding here. Is not every bottom fermented beer called Lager in the US? So what we call Pilsener, Helles and Dunkles here in Germany is a Lager, isn't it? I believe many beers that Holger mentions on his website

Please help me!

Prost,

Bastian

You are correct. Pilsner, Helles, Maerzen, Dunkles, Export, Bock, Schwarzbier, Doppelbock, Ungespundetes Kellerbier ... all bottom- fermented beers, thus all considered lagers, conditioned and served at cool (or even cold) temperatures.

Altbier, Koelsch, Berliner Weisse, Weizenbier and Hefeweizen (and Hefe-Weisse), Leipziger Gose ... all top-fermented, and thus are considered ales. (Note that this is modern-day use of the terms; some historical terms make a difference between "beer" and "ale," especially in British usage, and then along comes "lager," which in British usage is almost always a pale blond-colored beer, more or less based on Pilsner lager.)

Hi dgs,

thanks for your detailed answer. So it is easy for you in the US and for us in good old Germany to get (dark) Lager nearly everywhere. I just wanted to ask someone who calls himself the "Bierguru" wherefrom he takes all his beer-wisdom.

Prost,

Bastian (who does not believe in gurus)

I really don't understand how you're not getting lager beer in southern Germany. Depending on where you're at, there are these southern German breweries I can think of just off the top of my head:

Spaten Paulaner Augustiner Löwenbräu Hofbräu München Hofbräu Traunstein Weltenburger Fürstenburg Allgäuer Schlenkerla Spezial Ayinger Andechs

As I said, just off the top of my head. Plus, there are plenty of national brands that make it down that way: König, Warsteiner, Jever, Bitburger, all pils beers, which are by definition lagers.

-Steve

Genau.

Yep.

So, in that case, what might he have in mind when he says he can't find lagers?

-Steve

Maybe he was confused because typically they do not label lagers as such in Germany? Buttwiper for example labels itself in part as a "lager beer" as do several other brands, usually cheap ones. Whereas in Germany I have never seen a beer labelled "lager" though of course many are.

--Dan E

Hi Dan,

there are a few beers nowadays who are labelled "Lager", for example Binding Lager. In their advertises they are trying to give it an international "flair" by calling it Lager. I think because many peole here liked the Lagers they tasted in other countries. And the Binding brewery does well in taking taste out of beer in this case ;-)

Prost,

Bastian

So Schneider Aventinus(a dopplebock) is a lager but Schneider Hefe-Weisse is an ale?

Schneider Aventinus is a *weizenbock.* Still a top-fermented wheat beer, but with higher initial gravity and final alcohol content. Not a lager.

No, and now you know why Aventinus gave the German lager brewers fits. Aventinus is a strong wheat beer, and could have been labeled a weizenstarkbier, I suppose, but Schneider wanted to call it a doppelbock...just because. It's strong enough, but it's not a lager.