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No it was Bill Davidsen's statement to this effect: " It helps to have a style book handy before offering an opinion, I think some people rate a beer purely on how they like it, without considering that it may be supposed to taste like that."

Which to me means that you shouldn't offer an opinion on beer if you don't understand its stylistic intention. I call bullshit. What Joris clipped out of my reply was this "It doesn't matter if its supposed to taste like shit, it still tastes like shit". Even if you don't understand or like the style, it still doesn't disqualify your opinion.

And thats right. It helps to hang around there a long enough time to figure that out (assuming you're motivated to do so). I think ratebeer had a feature at one point to give you a list of raters who've rated the beers you've rated similar to how you've rated them. Then of course you could look at their ratings of other beers you've yet to try and perhaps have some confidence you'd like what they liked. That feature is gone now it seems, but one thing I do, rather than look at the big Top50 list (which is dominated by, as Iwerks said, the huge and trendy beers) but look at best by styles. That way, even if helles suffers a style bias so that no helles would ever make the ratebeer Top 50, you can still find out what the best ones within that style are, and you probably won't be disappointed when directed to try this one:

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For me though, I've long since stopped reading the "best of" lists and other raters ratings on ratebeer. I'll try any beer I haven't tried before. The only effect ratebeer has on my purchases is when I found myself out of town and visiting the GoodBeer store that has a vastly different selection than what I get locally, I'm likely to at least grab a few beers that have received some hype at RB. When there's 300 guys popping boners over Barrel Aged Alesmith Speedway stout, I'm at least going to be curious about it.

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snipped-for-privacy@see.headers (Joel) wrote on 13 May 2005:

You just have to bait at all hours, don't you?

Naturally, wine shops and cigar stores do the exact same thing. It's common in those things taken, as a group, as vices.

I do admit ignorance on a "best cigarette" site. And I don't really feel like breaking out a Yahoo! Search to determine one's existence.

Witzel

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(sorry for a lot of clipping)

Yes, seen as such we DO agree. That is it essentialy. Ratebeer (which doesn't bear prejudice on other sites) is a very versatile tool, you can use the statistic data in a myriad of ways. I'm pretty sure I haven't used all possibilities myself. It is, as said elsewhere, very possible to view that which interests you, and leave the rest. And I have seen that raters that think the world of themselves, estimating their rating the light shining in the darkness, either tend to disappear, either are adapting quickly enough. Which is not saying that disagreeing on a certain beer with everybody else wouldn't be accepted - in fact, there is a special feature "Against the grain" where the most recent such ratings can be viewed separately. No rater, no taster ever has all the truth to himself. As it should be. Joris

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Joris Pattyn

I'm so good at it I even do it unintentionally! (You Yahoo! you.)

Great taste! Less cancer!

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Joel

Fuck that. How 'bout I just go to Belgium next week instead?

There's a Trappist monestary in Fort Collins now? Whodathunk?

-Steve

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Steve Jackson

Heh, heck... I thought maybe it just wasn't going to happen... Damn fine of you to remember, let alone still be considering it. :-)

Lemme know what is here (Chi) you might want in return. Got some Founders Breakfast Stout coming in, for instance.

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Russ Perry Jr

If your opinion is "I really like this" then I agree, and my blog will occasionally say "I'm not familiar with this style," "This is not my favorite style" or recently included a guest review by someone who really is not educated in beer styles.

But when people make comments like "this is a great stout" and it's not a stout at all, but a porter, dark ale, or amber, then I stand by my "it helps" comment. My recent comments on Samuel Adams Black Lager resulted from three tastings at different times and a consult with a TAPNY beer judge before deciding what to say. I covered my opinion and also why I had problems describing the characteristics.

I have no problem with uneducated opinions labeled as such, just the way some reviewers at various sites pontificate when they know SFA about how the style is supposed to taste and look. The reviews which criticise the things which are supposed to be present.

Well, early on in my blog I noted that I like hoppy IPA, smokey porter, and hot spicy food. And I married a red-headed Irish woman. Bland is not my personal preference, and while I can appreciate the effort going into a well balanced brew, it's likely to be served to a gues.

Useful!

A man after my own heart.

I guess. I like to try local beers with no national distribution, it may be my only chance.

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The old joke was "free chest Xray with Raleigh coupons"

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No, no... wasn't it something like:

Two guys are sitting up in hospital beds. One of them looks over at the other's new clock radio.

"Hey, nice Zenith."

"Thanks, got it with my Raleigh coupons."

Raleigh coupons, huh? Say, do you smoke the cigarettes?"

"Sure, how do you think I got this cancer!"

Then there was...

Jesus and the two thieves are walking up the hill.

One thief says: "Man, I sure could use a cigarette!"

Jesus, throwing him a pack, says, "Here, have one of mine."

Thief, catching the pack. "Raleighs, huh? Say, do you save the coupons?"

Jesus: "Sure, how do you think I got this cross?"

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