"Camra says this is Real Ale"

I've just bought some bottled ales from Sainsbury's, which were being promoted as part of a "beer and wine festival". Some interesting choices among them - the ones I bought were Titanic Stout, Dorothy Goodbody's Golden Ale, Brain's Dark and Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale.
The three British beers bore a stamp on the label with the Camra logo and the words "Camra says this is real ale". Interesting. Is this a new development? I've certainly not seen it before. Seems like an excellent move to me - both as a promotional gimmick for Camra and as an aid to the consumer (ie to get it into people's heads that most bottled beer is /not/ real ale).
Interestingly, both the DG's and the Brain's had the words "bottle conditioned ale" on the label but the Titanic didn't. What it did have was another stamp declaring it to be "Champion Bottled Beer of Britain 2004" (and you could see the sediment in the bottom of the bottle, of course).
I guess the Camra logo would be considered less ambiguous from the point of view of the average consumer, who wouldn't necessarily know what "bottle-conditioned" meant, but I was still slightly surprised that they didn't include the words. What do others think? Is it important?
Anyway, top marks to Sainsbury's - I hadn't gone in there with the intention of buying beer, but I couldn't resist when faced with such an interesting line-up.
d.
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davek
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This is a Camra campaign in association with the brewing industry to promote bottle conditioned beer. It has caused some controversy given the variablility of some micro BC beers, and the very limited amount of bottle conditioning which sometimes actually goes on.
Yes, Titanic Stout is BC, so I don't know why they don't say so on the label. AFAIK only BC beers should have the 'Camra says' logo on them.
Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting
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Paul Sherwin

Whilst I'm not the official spokesperson for the campaign, I think I can give you an answer.
Some brewers may of course still use "bottle-conditioned" on their labels, but what you have picked up on is that CAMRA have decided to drop the expression "bottle-conditioned" in favour of promoting "real ale in a bottle". Which can admittedly be a bit tricky for those of us who have got used to referring to BCA's.
It shouldn't make any difference to the contents :-)
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Richard Brooks
I'm looking forward to tasting it but I'm saving it for later. Interestingly, the GBBG says Titanic's beers are neither filtered nor reseeded when bottled.
I've just opened the Sierra Nevada and it is gorgeous - intense grapefruity hop bitterness, but balanced by rich, complex malt flavours (a nice background nuttiness and a touch of burnt caramel) so the hops aren't too overwhelming (as they are in some American beers I've tried recently).
d.
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davek
Keep up at the back, COOP Gold Miner [my beer] has had the logo etc for over 18 months, AFAIK it was the first. Same as the Isinglass spuff about Sainsbury beers - again, the COOP was first with Gold Miner [and we took loads of flak over it too] . Now when will the others follow the COOP with its extensive use of Braille on its own labels - or will SainsCo Take the credit for that too? Give them credit where its due, the COOP are often at the forefront of food issues, but rarely get the accolades the others do eg - Organics, Fair trade, ethical banking/sourcing, cutting out additives and excessive salt/sugar, informative food labeling, local sourcing. All are and have been for some time COOP initiatives.
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<freeminer
Interesting. I've been drinking Gold Miner all this time (a fine beer, by the way) and not managed to notice that.
Yes, but us bleeding-heart liberal Guardianista types don't shop in the Co-op if we can help it - we prefer Waitrose and Sainsbury's. I only ever go in there because it's at the end of my road, but it is generally so poorly stocked (Gold Miner is the only drinkable beer they offer) that I often make the effort to go a bit further to a different shop.
And while their policies on all these food issues are laudable indeed, they could do with paying a bit more attention to quality and taste.
d.
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davek
Bought some a few weeks ago which didn't appear to have the logo on it.
Also frothed uncontrollaby when the bottle was opened (despite being stored in cool conditions)
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PeterE
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My local Co-op always makes me think of stores in Communist Russia. The shelves are rarely stocked, and what is there is surprisingly expensive given the lousy range and questionable quality.
If you actually manage to find anything to buy, you can be assured of a long queue. Why they have a half dozen checkouts and then not open *any* of them (leaving people to use the tobacco counter) remains a mystery. And no, I don't want a bloody loyalty card.
Since it's virtually impossible to even get, say, a pint of milk and a loaf of bread in there, you would be right in guessing that I don't even bother looking down the booze aisle, in case I get tangled up in a bit of tumbleweed.
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Peter Corlett
In article , PeterE writes (re; Gold Miner)
It's not just me then. Superb beer - I'm very glad our local Coop stocks it - but a pain to pour.
Regards, Andrew.
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Andrew Marshall
wrote:
Haha ! Mine too, lost most of the 1st bottle to the kitchen floor ;-o I think it *has* to stand for a day after transportation (and the bottle suggests fridging it for about 1/2 hour before use too)
Cheers - Neil
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
In article , "Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" writes (re; Gold Miner)
Mine had stood for about a fortnight ( I was temporarily 'on the wagon' due to incompatible medication).
I'll try that and see if it helps, though I don't want it too cold.
Regards, Andrew.
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Andrew Marshall

Have a look at the neck label - the pilot wording is 1/ the Camra logo, 2/ wording below the label "Supports real ale in a bottle. Please pour with care" Yes as stated on here, it can be a bit lively if the store has kept it warm, chill in the fridge (it stands up to a chill rather well) and then pur into a pre-rinsed [wet] pint glass, enjoy!
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<freeminer
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If you know about it in advance, you can pour the bottle into a jug and let it settle. IMO this degassing improves the drinkability of many bottled beers anyway.
Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting
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Paul Sherwin
re Titanic's beers being unfiltered before bottling, I doubt that what is in the GBBG is correct, but may have been in the past?
AFAIK they now bottled with Hepworth's (i.e. still brewed in Stoke) & use sterile filtration before reseeding with clean yeast. I may be wrong, but that's what I had heard, as to do otherwise (e.g. to not filter at all) can't ensure the shelf-life demanded by supermarkets (up to 15months, which is daft anyway).
re SNPA (as our beery Yankily chums call it) yes, a truly fantastic beer, stunning and powerfully flavoured, but as you say, beautifully balanced, unlike some US brews IMO.
cheers MikeMcG
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MikeMcG
I think part of the trouble with the Co-op is that AFAIK some/all of the stores run as franchises, i.e. are only as good as their managers & staff.
I had an amazingly annoying thing happen in a local Co-op last year - I was paying by Switch (for some Goldminer!) & the EPOS machine told the assistant to pick up the attached phone to do a manual verification of the purchase (a random security thing IIRC).
Instead of doing this, I was told that my card was rejected & did I have some other form of payment, I asked to see the manager & he said the same bleeding thing! He was about to snatch my card (to claim the c.£50 that retailers get if they hang onto a stolen/unauthorised card) so I asked him if the machine was telling him to do that (I could see that it wasn't!) so he backed down & gave me my card.
I had no cash with me, so had to walk out, fuming, without the beer. I went home, rang my bank to find out what was going on, they said yes, I had money in the account & that it was just a security check, so if I went back to the shop & explained, all should be OK. I did & it wasn't - same response!
I should have taken it to Co-op HQ, but I forgot about it, suffice to say, I've not been back to the shop. cheers MikeMcG
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MikeMcG
I accept the advice above from Paul & Don, but the trouble is, the beer seems to be *so* carbonated that when it's opened, the carbonation takes all of the yeast up into the beer with it (as it shoots out of the top of the bottle!)
Lovely as it has been when I've got to try it, IMO Goldminer is more carbonated than almost any other beer I've ever had, and the soakings that myself & the waiter in a BYO CurryHouse got recently are testament to that (I kid you not).
I'm not looking for the dry-cleaning bill, Don :~) but I hope next batch you & Marston's are going to sort this out? IMO I think BCA/RAIBs should be a bit less carbonated than other beers, to get closer to a cask beer. cheers, MikeMcG.
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MikeMcG

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