Brewing double-strength then diluting?

I just made a little measuring error, which resulted in a surprising result.

Operating on autopilot, I brewed a pot of Earl Grey at roughly double the strength that I intended. Not wanting to throw it out, I added hot water to the brewed tea to dilute it to roughly the intended strength. The result was very good.

I am wondering if there is any reason that this cannot be done on purpose. Clearly there are limits, but it seems like double-strength brewing with diluting by half should work.

If I get some time. I may try a side-by-side test: brew two pots with identical parameters except for amount of leaf. One would be brewed at the recommended strength. The other would be brewed with half the water; the other half added after the brewing.

I suspect that whatever effect there is might be more noticeable with the lighter greens and whites, than with the stronger blacks and puer-ehs.

If it works, it would solve one brewing problem I have. I love the IngenuiTEA, but only holds 850 ml of water. (My "32 oz" model might be able to brew almost 32 ounces if I fill it right to the brim, but this is not practical. 850 ml (29 oz) is the practical capacity.)

I have a 1,200 ml thermos which I use when I want enough tea for a day at my desk. Prior to receiving my IngenuiTEA last week, my procedure was to heat 1,500 ml of water in my Digital Tea Kettle, put the leaves in a 6-cup teapot, and add the 1,500 ml of water when hot. When the timer goes off, strain 300 ml into a cup and the remaining 1,200 ml into the thermos.

Today, I put the tea into the IngenuiTEA, which only holds 850 ml, but I weighed out enough leaf for 1,500 ml. I didn't realize my mistake until I put the IngenuiTEA over the thermos and saw that it was less than half full. I had already strained ~300 ml into a cup, leaving just ~550 ml in the thermos.

I then noticed that the tea in the cup was almost black. One taste showed that it was way too strong. I should have had a hint when the spoon stood straight up in the middle of the cup. ;-)

Not wanting to throw it out, I dumped half of the cup into the thermos and then filled both up with hot water. I figure I added about 500 ml to the thermos and 150 ml to the cup. That made the cup slightly weaker than the thermos.

The cup was delicious. The tea from the thermos was a little stronger, especially toward the end, which probably means I didn't stir it enough.

BTW: I highly recommend this Earl Grey. It's called "Earl Grey Finest" and is from from Tea Time:

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This is the best Earl Grey I have tried.

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Square Peg
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That's the russian method of brewing with a samovar, and I think it involves making 5x-10x concentrated tea and then diluting to fairly weak tea, maybe 2-3 times weaker than british tea. I think my grandmother used to use this method, but I may be wrong. At least, she did have a really huge really old samovar. It's not a good way for complex teas but is ok for simple nice strong black teas, and very practical when you need to make enough for a large number of people. In fact, it's slightly different from what you did in that the leaf would continue infusing and was not separated from water at all, so that none of the flavor was wasted (tea could be pretty expensive when samovars were invented). Keep in mind though that Chinese and Indians never used this method likely because their strong and simple teas were cheap and complex teas would lose too much with this method.

Reply to
Rainy

Basically, what you've done is brew a tea concentrate. This is often done when hosting a tea party so that you can quickly make up a pot of tea without having to wait for it to steep each time.

Here's how:

Add 1/2 cup (dry measuring cup) of loose tea leaves or 12 tea bags to one qt. water (4 cups) at the correct temp. (boiling for blacks & herbals, gently steaming for green tea-170 degrees). Steep black tea and herbals for 4-6 minutes, green tea for 2?2.5 minutes. Strain or remove the leaves. Don't squeeze the bags or leaves as this will produce a bitter brew. Use 2 tablespoons of tea concentrate to make each cup of hot tea, using hot water, not boiling and 3 tablespoons per glass for iced tea. Makes approximately 25 cups. Keep in a covered container in the refrigerator. Don't worry if your brew appears cloudy. This will go away when you add hot water.

I also keep some Thai tea concentrate in my fridge during the summer so that I can have a glass whenever the mood strikes me. I use Nirvana Thai Tea that I bought at my local International Market.

Reply to
mrhodes702

Youve discovered the secret to making good tasting iced tea. Make a concentrate of tea on the stove and dilute with water. Instead of the fridge put in a thermos.

Jim

PS Hav> I just made a little measuring error, which resulted in a surprising > result.

Reply to
Space Cowboy

This is a very interesting idea. We sometimes have small parties and a number of our friends drink tea. We always have a pot of coffee available, but have been using tea bags because of the hassle of measuring, steeping, etc.

If I could make up 2-3 different teas in a concentrate in advance, then all I'd need is a pot of hot water (my Pino Digital Tea Kettle would be perfect for keeping water at 180-190F) and some tea cups.

There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy in your numbers. You say it makes about 25 cups, but I think it's more like 32. If you make 4 cups of concentrate (32 oz), that's 64 tablespoons. If you use 2T/cup, that would be 32 cups. Right? ;-)

My first question is what the limit is to the strength? I did it at 2x by mistake and it was as good as regular strength. You are doing it at ~8x. Is it as good as fresh brewed at regular strength? Do you notic a significant difference?

Practically, more than 8x may be difficult to use even if it tasted good. You are measuring just 2 tablespoons/cup. Measuring anything less could a problem.

I wonder if there are some nice-looking carafes that I could put the concentrate in for guests.

That's another great idea. I could keep a jar of concentrate in the frig and be able to make a thermos of iced-tea or hot tea in minutes.

How long will the concentrate keep in frig? Will it keep a few days?

Reply to
Square Peg

I think the most beautiful thing you could get for this way of tea- brewing is a Samovar. Diluting concentrated tea is a staple of eastern Europe.

Robby

Reply to
rtrnews

No, you don't understand, history and tradition aren't important to tea... it is purely a scientific endeavor for some...

Reply to
Dominic T.

Interesting suggestion. A quick Google serarch turned up quite a market for Russian samovars if price is no object.

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I'll have to same my pennies...

Reply to
Square Peg

Dominic, are you still pissed off? C'mon, get over it. I have forgiven you. ;-)

Reply to
Square Peg

No, but I'm hoping you at some point realize that my initial comments were not meant as you took them and instead that there is a ton you are missing out on and overlooking by hastily rushing through this endeavor. There is no finish line or prize to attain and there are so many cultures and facts and histories involved that make tea what it is that I think you will find enhance your enjoyment and experience far beyond just proper parameters. Samovars, yixing, tetsubin, gaiwan, chawan, and on and on. You will find most of your "discoveries" are ancient traditions and methods which don't need reinvented blindly but simply uncovered with a bit of research. It would be like reinventing the wheel and then busting in and showing us all your amazing new invention.

- Dominic

Reply to
Dominic T.

The first samovar in the first site is exactly like the one my grandmother had! Wow.

Reply to
Rainy

I think his mistake is that he's not buying good teas. I had the same problem when I started. Almost all really good teas are very tolerant of time, leaf and temperature. They can be relatively light or stronger as you change the variables, but they're still really good either way. I can make reliably delicious tea by measuring everything approximately. With tea that's not so good, you can get decent results but if you're a little bit off in time or leaf, it turns bad real quick, or if it just sits in the cup and cools off a bit.. With this type of tea the sweet spot is very elusive and you often seem to be close to it but not quite there, and it naturally makes you want to measure everything.

Don't worry, he'll learne ;-)

Reply to
Rainy

Well, then, go for it. You can have fond memories of your grandmother for just $695. I guess you can have the fond memories for free, but if you want that samovar... ;-)

Reply to
Square Peg

You keep telling me how you want to help me and all the while you are making all kinds of negative comments and criticisms. Does this approach work well for you is other aspects fo your life? Do you find people standing in line for your sweetness-and-light style of helping?

Personally, I'd rather you just call me an idiot and drop the phony pretense of helping. Then I'd call you a pretentious know-it-all and we could go our separate ways.

Over to you...

Reply to
Square Peg

Seriously there is something wrong with you. I've only been helping people here for *years*. Honestly you seem like an asshole and I'd probably choke you out if given the chance in RL.

Happy? Die in a Fire.

- Dominic

Reply to
Dominic T.

For some value of "almost all", that is. For me, that would exclude essentially all Phoenix oolongs and most greens.

/Lew

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Lewis Perin

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