good pu on the cheap

Ahhh, I stand corrected, aging it yourself is the best possible proof that exists. If it is Sheng then it is quite valuable, but you may want to wrap it in plastic to stop the aging. This is normally done with Bingcha when it reaches 30-40 years, however tuocha ages faster than bingcha. When pu'er reaches a certain age it starts to deteriorate and loose it's aromatic qualities and thus loose value. It was reported that some 100 year old Golden Melon was virtually tasteless! If it is Shu, which from your description sounds probable, then it maxed out its value many years ago.

Mike Petro

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Zhong in this case means "center" reffering to the "Cha" character as part of the logo itself. "Zhong Cha"is the what this particluar Logo is commonly called throughout the industry. I have seen countless references to this exact term when talking about this logo. The Logo was used by all of the Government owned factories prior to the Cultural Revolution. Since then it has been sporadicly used by many of the now privatized factories. It has recently been reclaimed by the single CNNP factory.

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Mike Petro

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Some Cognacs that are over a hundred years old are virtually tasteless too. Mostly alcohol.

What is the optimal age?

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teadrinker

Don't ever lose that passion Sasha...there are people I could mention that don't have it...they have no idea the sweet torture they're missing. :(

Melinda

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I know people like that too, Melinda. May I kindly send them on to you for instruction?

Michael

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Michael Plant

Jailbait comes to mind.

Jim

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Alas Michael, I am but a humble beginner. Ever since I kicked out a certain winged monster/cherub from my life I've been trying to rectify my mistake. Living with Eros is insane. Living WITHOUT Eros..isn't living. Hmm...what a quandery.

I have a corollary. If one cannot fall madly in love, one cannot appreciate fully the scent of a good oolong. Probably part of my tea tasting problem at the moment....

Melinda

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Oh really? I was thinking more along the lines of "Much Ado About Nothing"....not the age part, the rest. That's not meant to be a dig at Kenneth Branagh. ;)

Melinda

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Melinda

That's sad.

Sasha.

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I want to throw in my 2 jiao (Chinese cents) into this conversation as well about the forgery pu'er. As I've said before, it's nearly impossible to know to real from the fake. The box means nothing. The wrapper means less, and sometimes even if the tea has piao (a piece of paper with the emblem of the factory or something) in or on the tea, it also means nothing. The Chinese are masters as coping and forgery due to the lack of laws to prevent it, so the only way to know is by consulting some "master" or go to the factory yourself. Often, many factories keep some of the tea and age it themselves and this seems to be the best way to actually be able to "collect" more valuable tea. If you try this method, send someone Chinese to get it for you or they will more than likely cheat you because you are foreign.

I can give an example of a recent plight I've been suffering with a certain tea. I know of one shop here that can supply geniune Menghai Sheng Fangcha (the square 100g sheng version) that is aged around 10 years, and it's not so expensive. I guess 100g of it goes for about 20 bucks or something, but I get a discount because I know the boss well and I teach his son. This tea is becoming nearly impossible to find because everyone says that their tea is around the 10 year mark (the often say 1990-1993). The only real indicator is if the boss has a receipt from the factory and some proof, but you can definitely tell by the taste! It is quite smooth with only a slight bite like Sheng is known to have; it can be brewed for up to 30 times....if you have the real deal.

Anyway, so it goes that this is the only place I know to get this tea around here. I have even checked in Fangcun market and had no results. The stupid people there see "foreigner" and automatically assume that I'm good at tossing my wallet around with little care or knowledge on tea. They actually try to say that their shiny, new incredibly green Sheng is 10 years old! heh.

So, before you toss out a serious amount of money on 20 year old this or 15 year old that, get as much information on what you are buying as possible. Just because someone is Chinese doesn't mean they know diddly about tea or where their tea comes from. It's hard to trust anyone! Getting gipped a few bucks is ok, but don't take your investments too seriously unless you are buying new tea for storage.

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If you cannot appreciate fully the scent of a good oolong, you cannot fall madly in love.

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Midnight -

So why do not adopt my policy - the taste rules. If you like it you pay what you think its worth to you - if you do not like it - the hell with all the piao!. You are absolutely right - the Chinese in general know very little about puer but most of them really think that if they are Chinese they automatically know more than a laowai about things Chinese. It is soo-oo funny! I remember couple of years ago a woman in a Chinese center in Vancouver angrily yelled at me when I was explaining to my daughter that Chinese astrological sign should be assiged according to the person's date of conception, not actual birth. She candescendingly "corrected" me and when I did not accept her correction she angrily snapped - "What do you know - I Am CHINESE!" I had to defend my honor in front of my 16 years old so I took a $100 bill out of my wallet and challenged her to write my any of the 3 part famouis Konfucious beginning of Lun Yui. She did, with mistakes and in new writing. I said that it was wrong and wrote almost the whole first page in old writing. I know I made several mistakes in third and 4th sentence, but the first, all 3 parts came out perfect. I thought she would blow up. I had no right to know these things! She almost said that, actually. Only after I told her that I was Russian she backed off and I am sure she thought that I was at least a head of Chinese Dept in GRU. The funnies part was that it all happened at the Sun Yat Sen gardens - supposedly the Hua (Chinese) cultural center. I am sure she was from mainland - there is a huge contrast in such matters between mainlanders and Hongkongers.

Sasha (concieved as a Dragon, born in the year of a Snake)

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So, snake, you one-upped her. What a profound victory! Michael

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I wish I was a Snake...

Sasha-Dragon

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No, that's prudent. We have laws here, you know.

--crymad

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Thank you. Certainly. I had no idea. Your ability to add substance to the discussion is unparalleled.

Sasha.

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I've bought plenty of tea that disappointed me. I could never figure how to try without buying. I've got 1.5 kgs of 2004 green pu's from three different factories coming in from China so who knows even if what I think is a fair market price is even worth that? I wished someone would dig a hole to China for cheaper shipping.

Jim

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...Dragon smoke...

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Space Cowboy

Oh, common! You're alive, you've eaten today and probably won't go asleep hungry tomorrow. That's happiness in my book already. How bad can a tea be?!

Sasha.

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Alex Chaihorsky

Pretty bad when it's made with water that is contaminated with coffee.

--scott

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