? on Japanese Tea Ceremony

Sep 09, 2005 16 Replies

I am trying to study the Japanese Tea Ceremony before actually attending one, and have a question for the Gods of Tea. In Chado: The Japanese Way of Tea it is said that the host folds the silk wiping cloth (fukusa?) and places it in his obi before the guests arrive. But I cannot find any explanation of what this "obi" is. Is it a belt? A belt with a pocket? A pocket in the kimono? Someone please enlighten me. And be prepared, I am sure I will be back with more questions. I really would like to understand (at least a little) what I am seeing and participating in when I do attend a Tea Ceremony.



Many thanks,



Dave snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com


The first. An obi is the wide, sash-like belt worn with a kimono. However, I am no tea ceremony expert.

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Dave,

I'm a minor, but I'll step in anyway. Obi refers to a group of people in Nigeria whose use of tea is legendary. Most likely this use of the word "obi" in Japan is the result of culture drift gone amuck.

I know that there is more than one person in the TeaMail group heavily involved in the Japanese tea ceremony. You might consider going there with your questions.

Hold that thought. I've got to go to the dictionary.

Michael MGoT

Ummmmmm, perhaps you should take a look at an obi:

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Having seen the ceremony numerous times, (and knowing many Japanese), I can assure you that an obi is a sash-like belt worn with kimono.

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Alright, alright, OK, I was wrong. But, at the price of that one, it hardly matters, does it now??

Michael

Is it Yen maybe (with a bum currency sign), in which case it would only be $17

Mike

I don't think so. It's a reasonable price. Well, you'd be a tea ceremony teacher, you'd make that money in 1 or

2 hours of lessons.

For that, you can get the right to rent onet 2 hours and take photos (no kidding, such businesses exist in Kyoto).

I got nice ones in second-hand shops for around 50 dollars, after a long bargaining. My grand-aunts loved those *table clothes*.

Kuri

Thank you. I finally thought of Google, and discovered many links, but do appreciate your confirmation.

Much appreciated...

Dave

Thanks Michael. TeaMail. Is that a mailing list? How can I access or subscribe to it? Someone heavily into the ceremony would be an absolute boon at this point.

Many thanks,

Dave snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com

Worse : it's handmade by hands paid at the Japanese rate. Even if they use machines, they can't produce them like ordinary fabric. That's nice handicraft and they tend to design patterns for limited series, if not unique pieces. There exist simpler models without embroideries, for

*everyday* kimonos, but nobody really wears kimonos everyday except if their job is something like ikebana teacher, etc... That's an anachronic luxury.

Kuri

Yes, it is used to help prevent obi... I mean obesity.

--scott

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Hi Dave,

Here's a link to the TeaMail group. On the page appears a "join this group" button, so you ought to be able to join up from there. Each internet group has its style, and TeaMail leans heavily toward the established vendor side. If I recall correctly, the Japanese tea ceremony is of special interest to Robin, the owner of the internet shop called "The Fragrant Leaf." There are other people on the list who enjoy the ceremony.

Michael

but be careful, you may get yourself banned for no apparant reason! Why yes, that is a chip on my shoulder! Rather impressive size, isn't it? Marlene

Thanks, Michael, and you too, Marlene. I found TeaMail through Google, and subscribed a few days ago. (It took a few days to get authorized...?) I have been reading, trying to get a feel for the group, and have the impression that one must be more careful than on most of the NG's I have participated in. Not sure where I get this impression from, but it's there. What does "the established vender side" mean? I would really like to *not* screw this up.

Any help is further appreciated...

Dave snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com

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I'm sorry, but your comment eludes me. Kindly -- and I don't often say this lightly or often -- let's take the discussion off-group, if you want to continue it. Why waste others' valuable bandwidth, after all?

Michael

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You won't screw anything up. Well known vendors such as Harney tend to post their wares on the given approved ware hawking days. There are people who know the industry better than anyone else, I'd venture to say, and some truly excellent writers whose perspectives on the teas they drink are well worth getting to know. On the otherhand, the childish ranting found on some other groups will be quickly banned from electronic print. There is unabashed control, but it is honest and out front. Worry not.

Michael

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