Spring 2005 long jings

Well I was gonna keep it a secret but since I got MY order in (ruthless aren't I? ;) ) I thought I'd tell y'all..Teaspring is showing a couple of

2005 Spring Long Jings on it's site, as well as anotehr spring green that I've not heard of but that is described as standing straight up in the water which reminds me of the tea Mydnight was talking aobut so long ago...(Quingshan lushu he called it, which isn't the same name as the tea on Teaspring). I got some and when it gets in (in 7-14 days ) I will post on my observations.

Does anyone happen to know if Dave Hoffman has any new ones in then?

Melinda

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Melinda
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thanks for posting this!

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pilo_

Hi Melinda,

I heard the same thing that teahub. I saw the interview on tv of the guy that produced the 200gr of long jing from the long jing village. This 200gr of long jing cost him more than 2000rmb to produce them!!! Don't think you can get your hands on that one, the guy keeps the 200gr for himself.

about the 5kg, buyers won't be able to buy them from the tea makers before the 30th. It is the 31st here, we just called our long jing supplier and asked him about first harvest long jing, and she said: nothing available for now on the market for the long jing from west lake or Mei Jia Wu.

What is available now is the Long Jing #43 from the outside areas of the west lake and Mei Jia Wu.

The good ones are scheduled to arrived in Guangzhou on the 4th of April.

Jing

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SEb

Can you please clarify for me what the difference is between what you refer to as the good stuff and the stuff that's available right now..(I need to get me a map). So there are better and worse long jings from the three (I think) main regions of the traditional long jing production area..? How in heaven's name is one supposed to know? Besides cost I mean?

Are the ones available now not the earliest ones to be picked?

I am literally in a position that I don't even really know the right questions to ask, wow.....:/ I feel a bit lost. I've read various messages on this newsgroups about the LJ production but I still don't get it. I know there is "real" LJ made in the traditional area that is divided into three kinds, Meijiawu, Shifeng and Xihu.Then there are LJ-type teas that are also being called LJ but are from outside areas.

I have heard that there are 11 grades of LJ, so I'm not sure what is meant by LJ # 43.

Then Ripon at one point in another list said something about three different types called "1) Quing (natural) 2)Lu Dou (green nut) and 3) Huang Dou (yellow nut)" He also said the Imperial LJ was the best to his taste and the Teaspring site calls some of theirs Emporer LJ, not sure if it's supposed to be the same thing. Can someone please help me out? Pretty please?

Melinda, sincerely learning.

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Melinda

Ya, qing shan lv shui is kuding cha...sorta bitter at first taste, but has a damn nice sweet aftertaste. The tea itself is beautiful in appearance; it makes the water a light green and I definitely recommend using the glass brewing method for this one.

Longjing 2005? I called some people the other day in Hangzhou and they said it would be the end of this week before their first pics. I'm not sure about all of the plantations, but I know that most won't begin until a little bit later. Be wary about anybody advertising their Longjing as Xihu (West Lake) yet.

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Mydnight

I'm going to Hangzhou next weekend to try my damnedest to get some of the good quality stuff. By the time it gets to GZ the markup is stupidly horrendous.

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Mydnight

I'm relatively sure that xihu is considered the best. It's all down to leaf quality and the other typical measures to tell a better tea from a worse tea. With longjing it's 1 stem, 1 leaf and the smaller the leaves the better. The color is also important...I'm sure jing can elaborate on it more.

Jing: you run a teashop in GZ? I'm going to gz this weekend, and I could stop by.

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Mydnight

i guess it is the end of the week....man the days run together when you're a teacher. heh.

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Mydnight

Teasping which is also located in China says that the first picking started on March 24th and because they have close relations with their suppliers they got it quickly. I have no reason to doubt them. ::shrug:: I have never bought from them before but they've come recommended at times from people whose opinions I respect. I guess the proof to some extent will be in the tasting, though obviously I'm a long way from expert.

What do you think about that Mydnight? They say it's from Zhejiang. That's correct, right? I'm getting a map tomorrow to try to understand exactly where these places are...

Melinda

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Melinda

Melinda,

Seriously, it should be mentioned that a lesser grade of Long Jing that is super new and super fresh is going to be wonderful. A great grade that is not fresh is not going to be a great drinking experience no matter what. Freshness counts for a lot. (I say in defense of TeaSpring.)

In answer to your other questions, a proper Long Jing leaf will be exactly

8.3579 mm in length, and, when placed in water, will float as a ruddered boat for exactly 7.9278 seconds before gracefully drifting downward. Anything else is imitation. Hope this helps.

Michael

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Michael Plant

Shanghai is in Zhejiang but it is not a part of Zhejiang, if that helps. Hangzhou is like 3 hours south of Shanghai.

As for the first pick thing, I really don't know what to say about it. I've heard from some people that some plantations have already picked and some are waiting...I was told that the end of March was the best time.

Beats me.

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Mydnight

Hi Melinda:

I don't know how much help I can do but I can copy two of my recent post from teamail and RFDT to clear it up a little more. The tea world is very confusing. Yes, the Long Jing(LG) from Teaspring was the best one when I tried that one but then one of my Chinese friend send me another LG and it was even better. I still believe Teaspring's LG will be very good. It takes long time to realize which tea is the best. when you start trying tea from different sources, you start realizing- there is no end of quality. All you need some time to try tea from different sources.

We have some very knowledgable tea vendors like Seb(Jingtea), Daniel(TeaSpring), Linda(teahub) etc. etc. Tea is such a wonderful thing- once you start buying tea from the vendors again and again then you also start feeling a friendship and bond with some vendors. Seb, Daniel became my good friends. Linda also indulged me so many times with her valuable tea information. I am in a point right now, where most of my tea comes from Chinese vendors. I buy few little tea from US vendors now a days though I am still a big fan of Imperial tea court. Your tea taste and knowledge grow with tea vendors if they are more open, friendly and honest with you. Through this relationship, you also start enjoy better quality tea. When customer and vendor both work together, the result is much better. Some vendors don't try to understand this and at the end they loose valuable customers. I was burned many times with Long Jing but now I am in a point where I get a standard quality LG. You can be fool once or twice but not forever. All you need time and obserbation.

I am pasting one of my recent post , I have blended from teamail and RFDT:-

I will add one more Chinese way classification of LongJin. Will also talk about how to check the quality of Superior LongJin tea and the season to buy this tea.

Before posting this thread, I steeped ShiFeng, Meijia and Xihu LongJin. All of them are good but the shifeng is the best one(mine is Qiqiang types)

All of this three types has smooth, delicate, chestnut aroma/flavor, mouth full buttery taste but the difference come during multiple steeping. Shifeng contain and release the aroma, flavor much longer then the other two(Meijia and Xi Hu). The tea leaves has also different appearances.

In China, they also differentiate LG three different way:

-Quing(natural)

-Lu Dou(green nut)

-Huang Dou(yellow nut)

The real Shifeng LonJig is Quing type.

I have also got this two high grade ShiFeng LongJin. My Chinese supplier gave me this two description(according to his description):

-First sample(Qiqiang|Flagged Spear|): The Finest grade of ShiFeng, only one bud and one leaf. The interesting part was, when I steeped this tea in a tall transparent glass- really it was one bud and one leaf. The bud was floating in the water with the leaf pointing upright, just like a spear.

-Second sample(Queshe|Sparrow's toung): This was also an excellent one but after the Qiqiang one with one bud and two leaves.

Above both LG were Shifeng LG but two different fine categories. You see, their is no end of tea grade.

Of course many LongJin teas are fake, I believe it. Processing high grade LG green tea needs very skilled hand. I will talk a little about the complex processing-

During pan frying the leaves requires match the temperature to the tenderness of the leaves which only certain tea masters know how. For a pound of high grade LG, Tea processor need 25,000-30,000 bud and leaf sets. The skilled hand snipped off individually. It is not easy to produce high grade LG by mass production system. It is a full hand made process.

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Your concern is very much practical about pricing of good teas. Example, Long Jing or Lung Ching(Dragonwell green tea) has many verities and the price comes by quality and different tea processing plant. There are many confusing information about the quality- Imperial Shi Feng Long jing and regular Long Jin has far difference in taste- their in China, they classified LJ in three different categories-

1.Quing(natural) 2.Lu Dou(green nut) 3.Huang Dou(yellow nut)

I got more information about the quality but after drinking more then ten different LJ- I found out Imperial Shi Feng Long Jin was the best(It is my personal experience). Right now, I am also drinking another kind of LJ- Named Xi Hu Long Jin, also a good one but far thinner then Imperial Shi Feng Lon Jin. I don't know, how they price this teas.

Melinda, sorry I can't provide you a straight forward answer because I am not a tea master. I like to drink tea, maintain tasting note, collect tea information from around the world and compare different teas from different sources. I can tell you one thing- there is no absolute answer for tea because tea processing methods are always changing so do the vendors. We just need few good man to help us to choose high quality tea with fair price. Don't just order tea from here and there- ask for sample, ask them many questions. Soon you will realize, who can full fill your quality tea with fair price. Believe me, there are only few vendors who offers good tea with fair price. After all very high grade tea production are limited, rest are lower quality tea only when you are familiar about quality tea. In my case, I have found some. I consider them as my friend not as a tea vendors anymore. I believe one thing, they try their best to find good tea for me.

Ripon Maputo, Mozambique

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Ripon

Lol, point taken Michael. I got worried for two reasons: First, It's going to be a lot of money for me at once (around$80-90) for tea and second, I've been having a really horrible terrible awful time getting some tea from another overseas vendor in another country who I also spent $80-90 with. One very very important thing with Teaspring which I can't tell you how much I appreciate is that they answered my E-mails rapidly and with authority, there wasn't any fishiness or uncertainty about whether they would communicate with me, which I have experienced with this other tea place continually since I've tried to do business with them. It's an awful feeling for me when I've ordered something online and don't get so much as an E-mail receipt for final cost or even acknowledgement that they got the order...when I have to pester and pester them and don't get any kind of response for weeks on end. That's how bad it's been. If I didn't like the tea so much I wouldn't go through this, I guarentee you, and if I get more I'm going through a business collegue of a friend to just buy it off the damn shelf over there and ship it to me. I'll do the blasted FDA paperwork, it's easier than this. ::fume::

So I was already primed, so to speak, for feeling like I was taking a risk ordering directly from overseas because of my experiences with this other place.

As far as the long jing goes, like I said I look forward to tasting it. It's weird (to me at least...probably not to others)...I'll not feel as uncomfortable spending, say, $15-$20 a quarter pound on a good green or oolong, but I look twice at a black tea for that much. It's because I get multiple steeps from my greens etc. I get a lot more (and pleasant) mileage out of them.

Melinda

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Melinda

I thank you Ripon, I knew that you had some other things to say and I do keep copies of important information about particular issues and teas so I can refer to them again and again. I knew that you had bought from Teaspring which is why I considered them, and I also know the other companies of which you speak and though I have not bought from them I haven't heard anything bad necessarily. It really does boil down to trusting one's retailer I think...or rather, finding a retailer that one gets good results with pretty much consistently. I haven't had previous experience with Teaspring and as I mentioned to Michael above, I am already primed at the moment for expecting a bad or questionable experience because of the really rotten time I'm having with another tea company in a totally different country with a totally different kind of tea...the difference in communication between the two sellers though has been night and day. So that's encouraging.

I will look carefully at the Long Jing I get though and try to be more...observant I guess...of it's characteristics. Thank-you again.

Melinda

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Melinda

Melinda:

Do you mind to send me a off-line message about the foreign vendor who your are having awful experience. I am just curious. You can send the mail at snipped-for-privacy@tropical-web.com Thanks.

Ripon Maputo, Mozambique

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Ripon

I've had no problems with ordering from Teaspring, and the teas have been very good. The only problem is my credit card company thinks my card has been stolen everytime I order from them becuase the charge to the card comes from Malaysia. No big deal.

Blues

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Blues Lyne

Blues Lyne:

Interesting. I face the same problem but not anymore. I always travel and once in while my bank lock my credit card. This time when I came to Mozambique, I had to charge my credit card in Holland, South Africa then Mozambique with a week. Same thing happened when I went to Thailand and Indonesia in the same time. My bank came forward with a solution, I think you can do the same if you want. Every time I go in a foreign country, I just send them an email and let them know that I will be in this or that country. I also gave them Teaspring name and my bank know that I trust them so no problem anymore. Very simple solution and working pretty well.

Ripon Maputo, Mozambique

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Ripon

Your point about answering posts is on the money. I won't deal with vendors who don't respond. BTW, you can get some excellent LJ for much lower prices if you are willing to take leaf that has not been that has been machine cut and looks a bit raggedy. There is nothing wrong with this tea. I don't know what quantities you're buying, but Long Jing does go a long way. I recommend smaller amounts. At least, that's what I do.

Michael

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I think TeaSpring service and TeaSpring offerings are both high quality. I also think that we have a responsibility to relate whatever bad experiences we have and to name the vendors who perpetrate those experiences. After all, if you don't tell us who that vendor is, Melinda, we'll each of us fall prey to him eventually. In addition, maybe we know said vendor and can give you advice on dealing with him.

Ripon, thanks for your detailed reposting on LJ's.

Michael

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Michael Plant

Hmm dejavu all over again. reminiscent of another recent thread elsewhere.

I agree, the only way to raise the bar on the customer service, quality, and prices, we receive is to share our negative experiences with each other and demand more for our hard earned dollars.

A lot of blind faith is involved when ordering from Internet vendors in particular, many vendors take advantage of that, if we share our experiences they might be a little more careful with our faith.

Mike

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