Donnhoff Spatlese buying advice


I recently had my first experience with one of Donnhoff's wines - a 2000 Hermannshohle Auslese that showed few signs of being from a relatively poor vintage (aside from slightly low acidity, compared to most other German Rieslings I've had) and blew me away with each sip. Since then I've kept my eye out for more, particularly his Spatlesen which I've heard a lot about.
A local retailer has stock of a handful from 03 and 04 at quite reasonable prices. Wines are: 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese
Was wondering if anyone has experience with these wines, and could recommend one of the four to start off with to introduce myself to Donnhoff's Spats.
Thanks,
Salil
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Salil
> I recently had my first experience with one of Donnhoff's wines - a > 2000 Hermannshohle Auslese that showed few signs of being from a > relatively poor vintage (aside from slightly low acidity, compared to > most other German Rieslings I've had) and blew me away with each sip. > Since then I've kept my eye out for more, particularly his Spatlesen > which I've heard a lot about. > > A local retailer has stock of a handful from 03 and 04 at quite > reasonable prices. Wines are: > 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese > > Was wondering if anyone has experience with these wines, and could > recommend one of the four to start off with to introduce myself to > Donnhoff's Spats. > > Thanks, > > Salil
Salil, Start with the Oberhauser Brucke 2004. Then ask your wine salesman about the 2005 Donhoff Estate riesling. Buy many cases of that.
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Tire-Bouchon
> I recently had my first experience with one of Donnhoff's wines - a > 2000 Hermannshohle Auslese that showed few signs of being from a > relatively poor vintage (aside from slightly low acidity, compared to > most other German Rieslings I've had) and blew me away with each sip. > Since then I've kept my eye out for more, particularly his Spatlesen > which I've heard a lot about. > > A local retailer has stock of a handful from 03 and 04 at quite > reasonable prices. Wines are: > 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese
Salil, You can't go wrong with any of the '04s. '03 was such an atypical year that I'd not start with it. However, all those wines will need lots of time to come into their own. Can you lay them down for 5-10 years?
Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ:
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Mark Lipton
> Salil, > You can't go wrong with any of the '04s. '03 was such an atypical > year that I'd not start with it. However, all those wines will need > lots of time to come into their own. Can you lay them down for 5-10 years? > > Mark Lipton
Eventually that would be the long term intention. But as I've not tried a single one of the Spatlesen yet, I'd quite like to sample at least one or two a bit younger over the course of 3-4 days before getting an idea of what to buy and lay down for a decade or so.
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Salil
> > Eventually that would be the long term intention. But as I've not > tried a single one of the Spatlesen yet, I'd quite like to sample at > least one or two a bit younger over the course of 3-4 days before > getting an idea of what to buy and lay down for a decade or so. >
Fair enough. It's not as if you can't enjoy them young, but most people find them more enjoyable with a fair amount of bottle age. You might try aerating them now with a 1-2 hour decant to help the sulfur blow off and the wines open up a bit more. Anyway, enjoy -- Dönnhof is one of the gold standards for German winemaking.
Mark Lipton
p.s. I take it that this opportunity is in Chicago? If it's open to more than you, could you drop me a line with the details? It sounds like a great opportunity. -- alt.food.wine FAQ:
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Mark Lipton
> > I recently had my first experience with one of Donnhoff's wines - a > > 2000 Hermannshohle Auslese that showed few signs of being from a > > relatively poor vintage (aside from slightly low acidity, compared to > > most other German Rieslings I've had) and blew me away with each sip. > > Since then I've kept my eye out for more, particularly his Spatlesen > > which I've heard a lot about. > > > A local retailer has stock of a handful from 03 and 04 at quite > > reasonable prices. Wines are: > > 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > > 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese > > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese > > Salil, > You can't go wrong with any of the '04s. '03 was such an atypical > year that I'd not start with it. However, all those wines will need > lots of time to come into their own. Can you lay them down for 5-10 year= s? > > Mark Lipton > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ:
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On the contrary, I would pitch for the 2003. Here is what Helmut Doennhof had to say about it (FT): "At first we thought that 2003 was too dry and ripe for Riesling, but after the first tasting of the wines we immediately saw the balance. The acidity is very pure and pronounced. Normally we lose about a gram of acidity during fermentation but not in 2003. This is definitely my best vintage yet, better even than 1971, but it needed more work than any other, especially in the vineyard, because it was complicated by extremes. It was as though I were suddenly given a Ferrari but there was no-one to tell me how to drive it. It was possible to make far more mistakes in 2003 than usual"
And here is what his almost-next-door neighbour, Dr. Peter Crusius said in a VDP (Verband deutscher Praedikatsweingueter) publication: "Simply the best! Nur mit Jahrhundert-Jahrg=E4ngen wie 1959 und 1971 ergleichbar! " (Transl: Simply the best! Only comparable to the centennial-class years like 1959 and 1971)
I have some 2004 Oberhaeuser Bruecke Spaetlese from Doennhof; and of course, it is very good in a classical Nahe way - nice balance and lovely minerality. But 2003 is a Unikat (unless of course we have more of these freak summers). I wish I had some bottles of that to lay...
Prost!
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TB
Go for the 2003's. :-) Wein-plus points and drinking times for the mentioned wines are: 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 92, till 2020 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 87, till 2008 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese n.a. 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese 84. till 2007 (Note that a wein-plus score of 84 is 'very good') Point levels for their other 2003's are significantly higher than for corresponding 2004's. However, your mileage may be different - I'd try them all :-) Anders "Salil" skrev i melding news:1192419351.552553.259990@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com... >I recently had my first experience with one of Donnhoff's wines - a > 2000 Hermannshohle Auslese that showed few signs of being from a > relatively poor vintage (aside from slightly low acidity, compared to > most other German Rieslings I've had) and blew me away with each sip. > Since then I've kept my eye out for more, particularly his Spatlesen > which I've heard a lot about. > > A local retailer has stock of a handful from 03 and 04 at quite > reasonable prices. Wines are: > 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese > > Was wondering if anyone has experience with these wines, and could > recommend one of the four to start off with to introduce myself to > Donnhoff's Spats. > > Thanks, > > Salil >
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Anders Tørneskog
> Go for the 2003's. :-) > Wein-plus points and drinking times for the mentioned wines are: > 2003 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 92, till 2020 > 2004 Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese 87, till 2008 > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Felsenberg Riesling Spatlese n.a. > 2004 Schlossbockelheim Kupfergrube Riesling Spatlese 84. till 2007 (Note > that a wein-plus score of 84 is 'very good') > > Point levels for their other 2003's are significantly higher than for > corresponding 2004's. > > However, your mileage may be different - I'd try them all :-) > > Anders
Yeah, eventually I'll have to try them all. I'm not a big believer in points when Rieslings like these are concerned - I'm also more interested in exploring the different nuances in each wine from different vineyards rather than just finding the one with the highest scores.
Did have the chance to open the 04 Felsenberg recently along with an 03 Kabinett. Both were closed (the bottles were opened at 3 pm) at first, but after some patient waiting and an hour in the decanter later in the evening, they started opening quite beautifully. The Felsenberg was mesmerising. Amazingly pure, clean with a level of complexity and subtlety I've very rarely come across. I also picked up the Brucke - looking forward to exploring that over a 2-3 day period. Can't wait.
Salil
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Salil

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