But the OP was asking for wines less than $9, and saying that $9 was too expensive. that's ridiculous. Very few wines of sell for much less than $9, and damned few of them are any good.
Want $5 wine? You can have it!
Sorry, it was the jetlag. Did not notice the U235 signature
I was alluding to the fact that this is a worldwide NG and that prices vary, I can get $5-9 wines that are very well made in France and Italy. They are not easy to find, but they exist.
Not only do I live in Ohio but I also distribute wine in Ohio and I can give you many examples of wines under $10.00 and some quite good wines under $10.00. Most of them come from France, Italy, Oz or NZ but there are plenty of them in Ohio. I guess you don't get out much.
Of course, and over here too.
M.
I go by the wine shops all the time. Damned few dinner wines under $9 are sold in Ohio, and even fewer are any good.
Why have you decided that he is a troll? He states an opinion and sticks around to defend it without resorting to profanity or personal attacks. I don't necessarily agree with what he's saying, but that hardly makes him a troll. I find it more offensive when someone stoops to calling another a troll just because they don't agree with the opinions stated. Am I missing something here?
Jack
in article snipped-for-privacy@newsgroups.comcast.net, cruciverbalist at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote on 1/18/06 4:46 PM:
Please don't assume that the poster is being called a troll "just because" he is not agreed with. This newsgroup is largely populated by posters who read and post regularly over many years. Many regulars here long ago gave up on the poster-in-question's history of arrogant intransigence. I can't personally tell you whether he has become less extreme, over time, as I kill-filed his address long ago, and only see an occasion reference. That's certainly possible, but the larger issue isn't as it might appear if you're new (or infrequent) here.
Definitely. See other posting.
M.
Just because I don't agree that breathing a mature wine makes any sense?
Those who breathe such w> in article snipped-for-privacy@newsgroups.comcast.net, cruciverbalist at
I will choose to sleep every night witha loyal loving everyday lady than Christy Brinkley once a fortnight. Wine is the same, put the time in, and you will find great PN for everyday, save the Willekenzie Estates for the anniversary!
Gallo stands as the largest landowner in Sonoma,and builds solid wines, so disregard the nay sayers over Gallo branding. Gina is to be commended as well as the family for seeing beyond volume. The Frey ranch is a good example of vineyards producing great fruit. Check out the Zin's as well if youlike fruit forward wines that are clean and relativly low wood/tannin. Great daily quaffs.
Look how busy this newsgroup is currently! 40 or 50 thread replies in two days. (I haven't read all of them yet.)
Earlier tonight I was at a tasting with several people in the wine business (we tasted all Pinots by the way, from France, none inexpensive alas, though some of my absolutely best Pinot buys in the USD $10-20 range, over the last
15 years especially, were from Burgundy -- completely contrary to some people's stereotypes who don't know that side of Burgundy -- those wines were subject of past postings here and there). Anyway, some of the people tonight were testifying how Pinots of all kinds are now flying off the shelves in California and no, it wasn't because of The Movie, though The Movie helped. It was already going on, said one wholesaler. Yes, added another (who handles considerable Oregon and Washington Pinots), new US consumer interest in Pinots was visible in the market starting about 10 years ago.In answer to the question, you might find some use in the posting below, from last May (retrievable from Google or other archives if not on your server). That one remains one of the best moderate-priced California Pinots ($15) I've tried yet, with intense fragrant subtle Pinot fruit. (A little like the beautiful fragrant 2003 Clos de Lambrays I picked out blind again tonight -- it's hard to miss that one, after you've smelled it once or twice -- and the Lazy Creek is much cheaper.)
Cheers -- Max
From: "Max Hauser" Newsgroups: alt.food.wine Subject: Lazy Creek's amazing NV Pinot Noir (Re: Merlot ...) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:34:43 -0700 news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com
Burgundy is THE main area where Pinot is grown in France. I believe Pinot is the main grape grown there.
those wines
"Joe "Beppe"Rosenberg" in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
Yes indeed, some of this was behind my remarks. I remember the 1970s wines of Chalone, so conspicuous against the oceans of mediocre Pinots they stood out from, which I kept trying or buying hopefully. They had the basic varietal flavor only.
Joe, you will read (I assume) John Winthrop Haeger's landmark 2005 book on this subject, _North American Pinot Noir_ (which everyone should read who's serioiusly interested, I think). He traces those early flashes of brilliance among the region's Pinots, going back 60 years and more -- the diamonds among so much dull soil.
in article snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com, Max Hauser at snipped-for-privacy@THIStdl.com wrote on 1/20/06 2:07 AM:
That one remains one of the best moderate-priced California Pinots
Max,
If I may bring you back to the Lazy Creek Pinot.......
I've been a Lazy Creek Fan since the Chandlers acquired the property and my wife and I stumbled over it in week #6 of their ownership. When I read the post you reference I had my daughter pick up 3/4 of a case of the NV Pinot noted there. Neither she nor I were particularly fond of it, finding it rather 'barnyardy' and not lush and smooth as many Pinots we do like, and, we thought, not at all like Lazy Creek's vintage Pinots.
I guess it's possible that we got a bad case, but 6 off bottles in a row would be an unusually bad average for TCA or other funk. Do you recall the specific characteristics of that wine? I still have a couple of bottles left, because I just didn't enjoy it. Just wondering if you found it maybe more Burgundian than New World, or something like that. Thanks.
Midlife
Salut/Hi Jack
le/on Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:46:09 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
Occams razor as redefined by Rudyard Kipling and paraphrased by yours truly.
If it smells like giraffe and kicks like giraffe, then I'll call it giraffe.
'Fraid so.
As Mike Scarpitti he behaved in classic trollish fashion. I sincerely suggest you use Google groups and find out for yourself.
"Midlife" in news:BFF6AFCC.1083A% snipped-for-privacy@cox.net:
That could be it exactly. (Still have it on hand, too, from the period of the posting.)
This might be useful to know: I blind-taste-and-spit around 25 red Burgundies per average month via regular tasting groups, not counting one-shot tastings; occasionally even buy some. (The tasting groups let us spread the expense of following what's new on the market, and deciding for ourselves what we like.) This has gone on for several years and reflects and affects my tastes. And don't forget, for years after I got interested in wine 30 years ago if you wanted any good Pinots, even good cheap ones, you still mostly got them from Burgundy. US Pinots I taste more haphazardly (including when the unscrupulous ---- ---- , who sells all those Pacific Northwest Pinots, slips his "ringers" into blind Burgundy tastings he hosts, as inevitably as the night follows the day -- it is a regular game -- sometimes his ringers come out everyone's favorite too). We do US pinots in these tasting groups, but much less often. The tasting groups have included one expert US Pinot winemaker as a regular,* and another who is very well known as an occasional. So we spend some time with US Pinots, and I taste them in other situations (and other countries) and buy them too. But I am no expert on old-world-new-world Pinot differences -- I do like what that grape can do in general. Probably my preferences are conditioned by the longer experience with old-world Pinots. You saw how I compared the NV Lazy Creek to a Burg.
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