MARTHA'S VINEYARD WINE SHOPS??

And that's where on this planet? British Columbia, Kent, New South Wales, Tansania?

M.

Martha's Vineyard (see subject line)

And you think that a European/Asian wine geek has an idea about where that is - except for the origin of Heitz's Napa bottling, of course?

Strange americanocentric approach in an international newsgroup.

M.

Er, yes.

I too dislike posts that make americanocentric assumptions, but I thought this one was perfectly reasonable and clear.

(Apoligies for the email copy of my last post BTW. It was not intentional.)

OK, so let's ask te European/Asian regulars if they know where "Martha's Vineyard" is - honest responses, please!

Hmm. I'm less sure about that point.

No problem ;-)

M.

I (from the UK) knew it was off the East coast of the US. From memory I seem to recall it was one of the first areas in the US to be cultivated and.it is a very nice place for holidaying.

You knew enough about where it was to complain about Americocentricity.

So that's 2 of us :-)

Additionally, I'd point out...

a) Google will tell anyone where Martha's Vineyard is with little or no ambiguity.

b) It was a request for information. If you do not know where Martha's Vineyard is, you will not be able to help. But you must allow that some reading this NG will know, and may be able to help.

From memory eavh town Edgartown, Oak Bluffs, Tisbury have a liquor store with a decent wine selection but definatly not cutting edge. Wine is sold in supermarkets but its 99% Gallo, Woodbridge, very basic. Prices are higher on the Island so depending on where you are coming from, you need to bring your own. Restaurants are move adventerous but like any resort area, wines wholesalers want to dump often end up in Nantucket and Martha's winelists. I recommend stops in Providence RI or Boston.

in article snipped-for-privacy@pronay.com, Michael Pronay at snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net wrote on 7/17/05 1:39 AM:

On this fine summer Sunday morning, I don't much feel like taking on the burden of a whole nation's tendency to sound as if we're the only ones using the internet, or to ascribe anything other than good-natured leg-pulling to the offended soul.

The Kennedy clan (Father Joe, Mother Rose, sons John, Bobby, Ted, Joe Jr.; sisters Eunice, Rosemary, Kathleen, Patricia, Jean) brought a certain amount of attention to this island off the coast of the Massachusetts colony, long after the Wampanoag Indian tribe settled it, and after the first British ship arrived, in 1602. Not that many outside the US would necessarily recall, but John F. Kennedy Jr. was on his way there when his plane crashed in 1999.

Perhaps this will also help?? :o)

or this?

Respectfully submitted,

Midlife San Clemente, California, USA

"Midlife" skrev i melding news:BEFFAA47.DE70% snipped-for-privacy@cox.net...

Massachusetts? That's in the US, but where? My first thought was somewhere Northeast, near Canada? Kennedy we've heard about - but the plane crash you mention attracted little interest in Europe, I seem to recall. Anders

Thanks Joseph for your reply to the subject matter.

I actually hate posting to newsgroups for the very reason the chap that was pointing out the 'americocentricity' of my note - I guess it must be 'northamericocentricity' as I'm from Canada. That said, I love Amercans, America and most to do with her, I have little patience for those that do not simply for the sake of it.

Regards,

- Ian

in article cGxCe.836$ snipped-for-privacy@news20.bellglobal.com, I/C TARRANT at snipped-for-privacy@sympatico.ca wrote on 7/17/05 11:44 AM:

While it obviously gets to me a bit as well, I really do understand that it is presumptuous of anyone to assume worldwide knowledge of things that may not be that obvious to others, especially in a medium that has so many posters from all over the planet. While this reaction is infrequent here, and is usually quite tongue-in-cheek (as I believe Anders to be, and was playing back), there is a definite sensitivity that's apparent if you read this board over time.

I think the reaction is mostly based on a perceived lack of courtesy in disenfranchising those not familiar with the subject. But, it also is simply what you state. People tend to want to punish what they feel is arrogance, and the bigger the target...........

Don't take it personally. This is almost entirely a group of extremely knowledgeable and civil posters. The OP being one of the most so. But he can speak for himself, it he so chooses.

"Midlife" skrev i melding news:BEFFEDB0.DE82%>

:-) Actually, I had a fair idea as to the whereabouts of this island (and located it south of Boston with the aid of mapquest, thought it was more north, though) The point is that the average European,Asian, African or Latino wouldn't have any idea about that, much less the wine(yard). anders

One should remember that many who post wishing information are not regular users of this group, which is part of Usenet, that indeed does have international coverage. Some may not be aware that this is Usenet, much less that it is international. For example, some isps, such as MSNTV, have a group menu that mixes their own groups that are behind a firewall with Usenet groups with no mention of the type of group.

Major isps have dropped Usenet in the US - MSN(not to be confused with MSNTV) and more recently AOL. The reason is that they find Usenet too expensive in terms of bother it causes them. Usenet has a very bad reputation for resulting in excessive spam that floods the isps mail services. It also has a reputation for rudeness, trolls, and worse. The isps are tired of the excessive time and cost resulting from complaints about their users, resulting from Usenet fights. They are tired of being the police for Usenet, which is at near anarchy in many groups. For one good group such as this, there perhaps are 100 other Usenet groups that are mainly spam, troll warfare, flame groups, etc. Thus many isps now have their own groups behind a firewall so that they can be kept more orderly. Also there are many boards on various subjects that can keep things in order without undue restrictions. Usenet predates the current internet by many years when one had to use computer networks, etc. Many of the newer generation find Usenet very out of date. They do not like the fact that posts do not appear at once, or sometimes never appear, because Usenet has no central location for each group. They do not want to be bothered with a newsreader when this no longer is necessary on most modern isp groups and boards. They do not see why they should have to see rudeness, flame wars, trolls, etc posting in a Usenet group when this sort of thing is not allowed in many isp groups and boards.

One must also consider that, although the language of this group is English, many posters speak another language. Language structure that may seem rude in one language may not seem so in another. For example, some of the Scandinavian languages and the German language may be considered a bit more abrupt when translated into English. Some from Southern Europe may consider English a bit abrupt. We once had an exchange chemical engineer from Sicily at work. He had little contact with English, except at school. He found an expression such as "He died" very strange, as he expected a much more detailed description of such an important event - perhaps not an Opera aria, but you get the idea.

Reply to snipped-for-privacy@cwdjr.net .

On this one point I must offer a correction: Usenet and the Internet are in fact more or less coeval, both having arisen in the early '80s (and both having rather hazy beginnings). Usenet was originally distinct from the Internet in that it used a different communication protocol (UUCP: Unix-to-Unix copy) than the Internet (which used and uses Internet Protocol [IP]). By the late '80s/early '90s, Usenet had been supplanted/subsumed by the Internet with UUCP being replaced by NNTP over TCP/IP. One can argue that the name "Usenet" is now a misnomer, somewhat reminiscent of Bob Dylan's infamous quip that rock 'n' roll died with Little Eddie and the Imperials. The only vestiges of its earlier incarnation are the Path header record in NNTP which uses the old UUCP notation (the "bang path") to denote the traversal of posts across the network and the store-and-forward nature of message propagation.

Mark Lipton

in article XGECe.162948$_o.70690@attbi_s71, Mark Lipton at snipped-for-privacy@eudrup.ude wrote on 7/17/05 7:43 PM:

Well, Mark.... thanks a lot for that, but I think I, for one, understood about 50% of that post. Just when I think I understand some technical stuff, one of these messages comes along and I realize I'm in way over my head. Sortof of like when I get into a discussion with my engineer cousin and he starts in about stuff and I have not the slightest idea what he means.

Well put, thank you.

M.

Got me! (Been to Cape Cod back in 1970.)

M.