Hello, Delving into wine history I come upon a conundrum, namely, the name cabernet. I find it recorded, for Cabernet Sauvignon, first in 1736 (earlier apparently it was called petit vidure). However, I find no indication of the provenience of the word "cabernet". Sauvignon, OTOH, would indicate somthing wild, sauvage - untrue, as the grape is a crossing, most likely form the vineyard, but, udnerstandable. Does anybody know?
TIA
Cheers
Nils
Most dictionaries give its etymologie as "unknown".
CABERNET, subst. masc. Étymol. et Hist. 1866 (Lar. 19e). Terme du Médoc, peut-être dér. du lat. caput, désignant un cépage de vigne noire qu'on appelait au Moyen Âge vitis biturica (A. Cavignac, Les Noms de lieux du canton de Blanquefort [Gironde], thèse de l'École Nationale des Chartes, 1968, 3 vol. dactyl., t. 1, pp. 205-206); v. aussi R. Dion, Hist. de la vigne et du vin en France des origines au XIXe s., Paris, 1959, pp. 124-125; FEW t. 22, fasc. no 138, p. 67a.
Yes - and I find the derivation from caput slightly less than believable ... Perhaps it means riesling?
Cheers
Nils
The Cabernet Sauvignon is a cross between Cabernet Franc and Sauvignon Blanc... Cabernet might be from "Carbonet" - "Coalblack" according to Wein-plus glossary
Anders
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This might be true as there is an alternative spelling, carbenet, according to some of the dictionaries. Just one thing though - neither CabSauv nor CabFranc are coal black ...
I guess I'll just have it down as etymology unknown and waffle a bit.
I am preparaing a lecture on Cab Sauv for the tastevins rookies, that's why, in case you are curious.
Cheers and thanks for taking an interest
Nils
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Nils Gustaf Lindgren ha scritto:
I don't know if it makes sense, but Gabernet is a common surname, looking at Facebook :-) Luk
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The Wein-plus glossary lists these synonyms for Cabernet Franc: Acheria, Arrouya, Bidure, Bordo (Italien), Boubet, Bouchy, Bouchet, Breton, Burdelas Tinto, Cabernet, Cabernet Aunis, Cabernet Carbouet, Cabernet Franco, Cabernet Frank, Capbreton Rouge, Carmenet, Couahort pro Parte, Gamay de Ricenay, Gamput, Gros Bouchet, Gros Cabernet, Grosse Vidure, Mencía (Spanien), Kaberne Frank, Méssanges Rouge, Morenoa, Noir Dur, Petite Vidure, Petite Vigne Dure, Petit Fer, Petite Vidure, Plant Breton, Plant des Sables, Rouge, Sable Rouge, Trouchet Noir, Véronais und Veron Bouchy.
You will note that a couple of names include "noir".... And, might that be for the colour of the wine, not the grape?
Anders
So true. Even Pinot Noir is called "black". And the ancient Greeks apparently described the sea as "purple", which to me implies a serious environmental disaster. At least carbonet is an explanation (if not up to par with the Scots option, hey laddie?).
Cheers
Nils
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Not very probable. A decent scotsman would ask for a glass of uisge beatha, of course.
M.
Surely, a flagon or even a cask would be more likely to be the quantity requested, especially if caber tossing is involved, thirsty work that it is.
Mark Lipton (flexing his limited Scots ancestry)
Well, some tug-of-war friends of mine would prefer it out of Ducru barriques.
Actually the Barolo finished stuff might be even better but I don't know the barrel name :-)
James (in Scotland) James Dempster
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