Re: It simply means...

that the grapesmust be picked picked frozen, at minus 8 degrees C or colder,

>and must have a starting Brix of 36 (I believe) could be 38, than the
>resulting wine can be labelled Icewine. If the above factors are not met
>than the wine cannot be called Icewine. That ruling stands in Canada, the
>US, and in I believe in Europe. Seems to me the EU has adapted this. >
>
>> >>
>> >VQA has tradmarked the term "Icewine" in Canada. Only wines produced to >VQa
>> >rules and regs can be called Icewine, and it has the approval of other
>> >countries including the USA>
>>
>> I don't know where to begin in telling you that I don't have a clue as
>> to what your note is intended to say. Keep in mind that not everyone
>> who posts here is knowledgable on Canadian wine regulations (and what
>> certain acronyms mean) and what "approval from other regions" means in
>> regard to the subject at hand.
>>

It is ludicrous to say that a regulation established in Canada regarding wine labelling "stands" in the US. We are quite capable of establishing our own wine labelling requirements, thank you very much. At most, it would mean that wine made outside of Canada could not be sold in Canada unless it met Canadian labelling requirements. Perhaps that's what you meant. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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The -8 is correct, but grapes are not picked at temps lower than -15 c.... Don't ask me why. I don't know about the VQA trademarking Ice Wine... I have had several bottles from non VQA wineries. As to US labeling requirements.... yes you have your own.... just as Europe has A.O.C, D.O.C., D.O.C.G., D.O., I.G.T., Qba etc..... However, I belive (someone please correct me if I'm waaaay out in left feild) that certain common laws in the wine market apply between the U.S.A. & Canada.... These have been in effect since Free Trade came in(that's right, it meant more than just cheap wood & water) One of those laws was what could & could not be labeled 'Ice Wine'. As far as I understand, the grapes must freeze naturally & on the vine to earn the name. I know that King Estates has produced a 'Vin Glasse'... Cryo frozen grapes & they were not permitted to use the term Icewine...

Interesting debate, many heated discussions, simple original question, relax. Mathew Ps. Why does German Eiswine age well & our Canadian product does not....?

I think its because it all gets drunk up so quickly that there is none left for ageing ;>))

Back from Bordeaux (tasting some 300 extremely heterogenuous

And, Ian, responding to another post of yours:

| If you mean that you understand that there is an attempt to | ensure that the terms Icewine and Eiswein should only apply to | wines made in Canada and Germany, no matter how the grapes were | frozen, I'd be astonished.

No, there is no intent to a designation monopoly for Germany and Canada (after all, there is Austria with ice wines, too), only to protect the name for a produced vinified from naturally frozen grapes picked from the vine.

M.