Saran Wrap and TCA Corked White Wine

Nov 18, 2005 16 Replies

OK, here's the deal:


3 Btls of Sullivan Napa Chard 2003, and one is "corked." I had finished one bottle and noted pear (sweet), some stone/mineral, medium acid, med-short finish. Next, I encountered the corked bottle, mentioned in an earlier post. Definite TCA, though only at about a 3 (1-10 scale), mustiness, higher acid, and a total lack of fruit. This is where the Saran Wrap™ comes in. For those in environs, outside the US, Saran Wrap is the trade marked "cling wrap" sheet, sold in rolls. There are several mfgrs and as many names. Mark Lipton can probably tell you the exact chemical composition of each variety. I used the Saran Wrap variety. Since the bottle had been opened, tasted, and placed back in the fridge with a Vacuu-vin stopper, I opted for a modified control in my experiment. After 3 days storage in fridge (not optimum time for an empirical examination of this process, but it is the best that I can do), I tasted this wine again - still TCA, high acid, no fruit. So far, so good. I used one glass as control 1. I caraffed the remainder into a crystal decanter. I used a large-mouthed funnel, and placed the Saran Wrap into the funnel, crumpling it to fit the mouth. I pierced a hole (chop-stick used) in the bottom. I slowly poured the remainder of the corked bottle into the funnel. I immediately stoppered the decanter. I then opened and poured the from the last bottle. Now, I had three glasses: one direct pour from bottle of corked wine, one from the Saran Wrap caraffed decanter, and one from a new, uncorked bottle. The direct pour was still noticeably corked with a definite TCA nose, high acid and no fruit. The caraffed pour had the most faint of TCA on the nose, and the acid was considerably less, but still elevated. The fruit was more Asian pear, or US "cooking pear." The finish was rather short. Control 2, the fresh, clean bottle, was exactly as expected. I went back to each glass, after about 30 min. The straight, corked glass, was still as bad as before. The caraffed glass was now without noticeable TCA! But, the acid was still up there, and the pear was Asian, not a sweet one, and there was a hint of banana on the palate, but the finish was a bit longer. My wife did not notice any TCA, but she is less critical of this, than am I. The fresh glass was about the same, but the finish was a bit longer now, and there was a touch of honey

- maybe a bit of warming, though the ambient temp was quite cool.



All in all, I'd say that the Saran Wrap helped, as the wine was drinkable. I did not detect any hint of "plasticizer" in the wine, though the contact time was limited during the caraffing process. I still want Sullivan to replace the corked bottle, but it was a useful experiment. If one happens upon a corked bottle (this was a test of a white, and I have no idea how it might affect a corked red), the Saran Wrap treatment might render it drinkable, but with some not so subtle changes in the character. If I were conducting tastings, I would NOT use this method, but would open and pour a different bottle.



Hunt



Hi, Hunt -

Your method gives you so little contact time with the plastic that I'm surprised that it worked at all. I believe the recommended method is to immerse the sheet of plastic in the caraffe for as long as it appears to be necessary, which could be hours.

Tom S

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Ah, so my little experiment is "tainted!" Hours, you say, what am I supposed to drink in the meantime - my private stach of Ch. Burbank?

OK, next time, I will thrust the wadded up Saran Wrap into the caraffe. I had made the assumption, that contact with the plastic would do the trick. I have to admit that the contact (however brief) did have an effect. Had I not had a control of both, the corked and uncorked bottle, I might have just deduced that Sullivan was working on a much lighter style of Napa Chard, and had hit on a bit of "truffle" in the wine. In this particular case, the wine went from unpleasent to barely OK. One problem with this wine, however, is that I recall very, very well, the older Napa Rutherford Chard, from their little vineyard at the tasting room - I loved that wine. Since they have re-planted that plot, and now source their Chard grapes (juice?), it has been less than the " Montrachet" style, to which I had become accustomed. Oh well, times change.

Hunt

PS I am doing TN's on the Ch. B'bank, and am on my second bottle - I like it!

Whew! Had me worried there. The silence was deafening. ;^)

Tom S

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Er, Tom, mine are aging gracefully in my cellar, I promise to gently crack them open this winter with good french company...

gosh these winemakers are SOOOO sensitive... ;-)))

2 days has often been mentioned, thought I have noticed beneficial effects after 1 day. I fancy I also detect a slight chemical taste after the process, but most people seem not to - still better than TCA.

I presume Saran Wrap is Polythene...? Again, that is the plastic that is usually mentioned in for this purpose - Tesco sandwich bags for UK readers! To translate Saran Wrap as cling film is dangerous, as cling film can be made using PVC, and PVC and/or the plasticisers in PVC clingfilm give wine a disgusting taste - I tried it :(

So.... DO NOT PUT PVC BASED CLINGFILM IN WINE.

Only the good ones, it should be noted. :)

I _almost_ had an opportunity to open another a few weekends ago, but the food match wasn't right, so I decided to wait. For the record my note is below. I'll be interested to see what Hunt and Mike think!

-E

Ch. Burbank '01

"Beautiful deep gold color with a fat and generous nose of caramel and grapefruit. In the mouth very chewy, burnt caramel, acacia honey, pineapple, vanilla and melons, a nice finish veering towards bitter orange rind. Big and bold but well balanced -- not too fruit forward -- and with (I thought) well integrated oak, a lovely example of a CA chardonnay in the "traditional CA" style. "

Yes, prolonged contact is important. Despite my having tasted an off "chemical" flavor the last time I did this, my usual experience is that it removes the TCA and also some of the character of the wine, leaving something slightly muted but not overtly off. Experiments are still ongoing, though ;-)

Steve, We went down this road already in a reply to John Taverner a few days ago. Yes, it's _polythene_ cling wrap, which on this side of the pond is now the only type you can find (PVDC was the original polymer used in Saran) these days in the US.

PVDC != PVC, but otherewise I agree 100%

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton wrote in news:UmJff.343463$084.50723 @attbi_s22:

I have tried it and found that the wine was still less than desirable, but drinkable. The best recourse is to take the bottle back but sometimes one knows not where the bottle belongs and cling wrap is slightly better than pouring wine down the sink.

I missed that (and, in fact. looking back, I still cannot find it).

I think the IK must be one of the few places you can still get PVC clingfilm!

My clingfilm was definitely PVC. Presumably they use the same nasty plasticisers in PVDC...?

I meant "UK" of course, not "IK"

Thanks for the kind words, Emery. You guys write wine reviews a LOT better than I do!

BTW, that is the same wine I shared with Dale, Betsy and (???) in Laguna Beach last Winter. Ian has some too, and I recommend that he try one over the holidays.

Tom S

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Thanks for that info, Steve. I looked at the label on Glad Wrap and it's polyethylene, so that'll work too.

Tom S

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Are we talking about really removing TCA as opposed to masking its effect?

Has anyone quantitatively measured the concentration of TCA before and after immersion of the plastic, perhaps also checking for time of exposure and amount of plastic needed?

I don't doubt the physical possibility that the PVC/Saran treatment may work, just wondering whether anyone has gone beyond noses and tongues to test its effectiveness with more precise instruments.

Until then, I remain a skeptic: show me the data!

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Removal, yes. Masking, no.

None of us here, I'm sure! To conduct such measurements on a substance that occurs in the range of only a few parts per trillion requires some pretty fancy lab equipment. Mark could probably speak to this.

For one thing, it's not PVC (polyvinyl chloride). It's polyethylene, or polythene to you Brits. ;^)

Sounds good theoretically, as it's based on the distribution coefficient between (essentially) water and what amounts to a solid, organic solvent (polyethylene).

Try it yourself! I will the next time I get a corked bottle.

Tom S

Agreed. I find the smell of TCA disagreeable enough, even in minute amounts, that masking it effectively would be a neat trick.

Yes, you'd have to have a low detection limit, but labs do exist that can do it. Laube submitted all of his "faulty" CalCabs for lab analysis to prove that they did have 1 ppt TCA in them ;-) I imagine that the GCs they use would have to use electron capture detection, which works very well for molecules like TCA. Still, the nose is as effective a detection instrument for TCA as a GC in most instances.

Mark Lipton (Just glad that he doesn't have to taste each and every molecule he makes as they did 100 years ago)

Yup

I have no hard data, but I believe there is good scientific evidence of volatile substances being adsorbed by polythene, inlcuding unfortunately some that one might prefer to stay in the wine.

It is not in the same league as waving magnets over your wine, or whatever.

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