... though some say Shiraz ...

May 09, 2005 18 Replies

Hello; The AAB gang had a syrah/shiraz tasting Saturday. They were presented blindly, wrapped in alu foil. There were very little difference in colors, just barely the two first were slightly less purplish than the rest: all fairly young wnes. Number one had a toasted, caco nose, with hints of licorice which grew more prominent in the glass over the first half hour. Notes of tobacco and a certain earthiness. On the palate, sweetness in the attack, low on acidity, fruits and berries, and some length. Overall impression was a good Oz "come on join the party" Shiraz.



2001 Brown Bros Victoria Estate

Second had more of an old world style, with French oak on the nose, animal notes, mineral (granit) and preserved foie gras, also blue stencilled paper. On the palate a bit sparse and restrained, higher in acidity, at first gave hope of evolution but more or less died in the glass. No my cup of shiraz. Price SEK 100. Klein COnstantia 2001



Next: Fiery, spicey (curry, evenm) and berries on the nose. On palate a bit more strict, mineral, and well strucvtured tannins, possibly with some aging potential (say 5 years) [1] At SEK 80 not bad. Kumkani 2001 Stellenbosch



Now came our own entry (blinding was not 100% ...) Very animal (French urnioir, said our good friend Sten) but Id´rather say veal kidney. A bit perfumed also, once more blue stencilled paper, raw meat, and a haunting whiff of sea weeds. On palate very peppery, with cloves and licorice. EU 14 at producer. Emmanuell Darrnaud Les Trois Chenes.



LAst, a true blue jam pot: bramble jam at high velocity, with fruits and berries (cranberries eg) and a taste of more jam, mixed with licorice. Too much of a muchness. Proved to be same producer as number one, but the 2002 vintage. Price SEK



  1. Cheers



Nils Gustaf



[1] Given my road record, somebody will up and tell me that this is a perfect example of a wine that shouldn´t be drunk until it is at least 25 years old ...

Hello Ed; Sorry about the typo. No we did taste this previously, even gave a [TN] about it - it was one of those Croze-Hermitage we tasted while sitting in for the Garage Wine Importers, and, believe it or not, we liked it! Really. Yes. Cross my heart etc. Did. As for the Oz Shiraz, I can understand anyone taking a fancy to them - just as long as they are not too much bramble jam zeroing in at great velocity ...

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

Garage referring to the importers, not to the wine, I presume...

Cheers Nils !

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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I have lurked in this NG for well over a year now, but this one has made me post.

What the heck does "blue stencilled paper" smell like, and how can you distinguish it from red or ochre or periwinkle paper, stencilled or otherwise??

Thanks, Curt

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FWIW, I understood "blue stencilled paper" to mean what we used to call "ditto" paper although I could be wrong. It has an odor that is similar to rubbing alcohol.

As Bi!! noted, this is an archaic item, often, in the "olden days" in the US, referred to as "memeograph" paper. Anyone less than about 45 has probably never smelled this. Another possibility for "blue stencilled paper" might be "carbon paper" which was often dark blue, but most often black. It had the aroma of pencil lead and a bit of spirits, possibly alcohol, but possibly a mineral spirit. I'd go for memeograph paper, myself.

Hunt

"Mike Tommasi" skrev i meddelandet news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Yes, evidently. Though they don´t have a garage, they keep the wines in their sauna. But Sauna WIne Importers did not seem to have the right ring. (Importers of Finnish Apple Wine, perhaps?)

Cheers!

Nils Gustaf

Yes Bill and Hunt are both correct, and, I beg you forgive me foor using what is obviously an archaic term - in these days of scanners and laser printers, the old mimeograph does not exist any more ... rubbing alcohol comes fairly close but is not a bull´s eye. Of the tasters I was the youngest, and I´m 55, so, we all had a personal relation to what in my school days was known as 'stencils', and they were blue, and they smelt hauntingly of alcohol ...

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

Your organoleptic memory does you well, Nils. The solvent used in mimeographs (aka spirit duplicators) was a 50/50 mix of methanol (wood alcohol) and isopropanol (rubbing alcohol). The smell was quite powerful and distinctive, enough so that the machines were usually sited in well-ventilated locales to avoid solvent-induced fainting. In the context of wine, I'd say that VA comes close to this smell. I'd also stay well clear of any wine that smelled of either methanol or isopropanol...

Mark Lipton

Unless they are selling "vin cuit"...

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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Ah, the memories of elementary school... just so long as I don't find any notes of that white "paste" that we used, though a hint of "construction paper" might not be too bad. Heck, I almost feel that I'm reading Faulkner here. Thanks for the memories.

Hunt, who belies his true age now!

Hello Mark; I´m sorry but what is VA? I may know this , it may even be obvious, but I just returned from a rather strenuous 45 minutes of spincycling ...

Cheers

nils Gustaf

VA=volatile acidity which is an abundance of acetic acid which gives a sharp vinegar note to the wine.

OK, Bi!! clarified VA, but what I want to know is, what is "spincycling?" It sounds like something that might happen at the laundramat - or maybe out on an icy road on a bicycle...

Hunt

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Neither nor - it is a form of self abuse wherein you prepare to a hall of spin cycles - bicycles without wheels, but with a variable resistance, and a leader plays loud music while ehorting you to pedal faster, put on more resistance, now stand up, now position three ...

Cheers Nils Gustaf

VA=volatile acidity which is an abundance of acetic acid which gives a sharp vinegar note to the wine.

Why of course. I knew dat.

Nils Gustaf

VA also covers the presence of acetaldehyde - a compound that is closely related to acetic acid.

Tom S

Some would also include ethyl acetate (smells of overripe peach to me) in VA, as some of the populace smells it as acetic acid (hydrolysis in the nasal passage?)

Mark Lipton

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